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lego_office_worker t1_jc9aqj2 wrote

im not trusting anything chatgpt says about anything until it agrees to tell me a joke about women.

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[deleted] t1_jc9sl3m wrote

It’s just your standard western-centric tool limitation. It doesn’t do that for women, Romani people, Jewish people etc. But ask it about Sardars (Sikhs) and it has its way… and it’s exactly as bad as you would expect.

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Strazdas1 t1_jca2svc wrote

Artificially gimping the AI, especially when it comes to considering specific groups of people, lead to bad results for everyone.

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bengringo2 t1_jcbaapp wrote

The AI is trained with knowledge of these groups and their history, if just can’t comment on them. This isn’t restricting its data in any way since it doesn’t learn via users.

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DrDroid t1_jcacxwn wrote

Yeah removing racism from AI totally leads to “bad results” from people who those jokes are targeted at, definitely.

🙄

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Strazdas1 t1_jcaex39 wrote

It does because it leads to wrong lessons learned by the AI. Or rather, it learns to no lessons learned because AI cannot process this. This makes the AI end up with wrong conclusions whenever it has to analyse anything related to people groups.

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mrpenchant t1_jcaoe1e wrote

Could you give an example of how the AI not being able to make jokes about women or Jews leads it to make the wrong conclusions?

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Strazdas1 t1_jcap35j wrote

Whenever it gets a task that involves information including women and jews as in potentially comical situations it will give unpredictable results as it had no training on this due to the block.

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mrpenchant t1_jcaq6bd wrote

I still don't follow especially as that wasn't an example but just another generalization.

Are you saying that if the AI can't tell you jokes about women, it doesn't understand women? Or that it won't understand a request that also includes a joke about women?

Could you give an example prompt/question that you expect the AI to fail at because it doesn't make jokes about women?

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TechnoMagician t1_jcb0zpq wrote

It's just bullshit, you can trick the models to get around their filters. Maybe gpt-4 will be better against that, but it clearly means the model CAN make jokes about women, it just has been taught not to.

I guess there is a possible future where it is smart enough to solve large society wide problems but it just refuses to engage with them because it doesn't want to acknowledge the disparities in social-economic statuses between groups or something.

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Strazdas1 t1_jcayi8q wrote

If AI is artificially limited from considering women in comedic situations it will end up having unpredictable results when the model will have to consider women in comedic situations as part of some other task given to AI.

An example would be if you were to have AI solve crime situation, but said situation would have aspect to it that included what humans would find comedic.

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mrpenchant t1_jcb0z2h wrote

>If AI is artificially limited from considering women in comedic situations it will end up having unpredictable results when the model will have to consider women in comedic situations as part of some other task given to AI.

So one thing I will note now, just because AI is blocked from giving you a sexist joke doesn't mean it couldn't have trained on them to be able to understand them.

>An example would be if you were to have AI solve crime situation, but said situation would have aspect to it that included what humans would find comedic.

This feels like a very flimsy example. The AI is now employed as a detective rather than a chatbot, which is very much not the purpose of the ChatGPT but sure. Now ignoring like I said that the AI could be trained on sexist jokes and just refuse to make them, I still find it unlikely that understanding a sexist joke is going to be overly critical to solving a crime.

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Strazdas1 t1_jcedqn1 wrote

ChatGPT is a proof of concept. If succesfull the AI wil lbe employed in many jobs.

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Edrikss t1_jcaqyt6 wrote

The AI still does the joke, it just never reaches your eyes. That's how a filter work. But it doesn't matter either way as the version you have access to is a final product; it doesnt learn based on what you ask it. The next version is trained in house by OpenAI and they choose what they teach it themselves.

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Strazdas1 t1_jcayrdm wrote

But because it never reaches your eyes, the AI does not get the feedback on whether the job was good or bad.

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LastNightsHangover t1_jcatyvp wrote

It's a model

Can you stop calling it the AI,

Your point even describes why it's a model and not AI

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Strazdas1 t1_jcayzn1 wrote

Sure, but in common parlance these models are called AI, despite not actually being AI.

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ghostgnome t1_jcadj74 wrote

The whole reason ChatGPT doesn't interact with the internet is because users keep training open models into becoming bigots. Thousands of people flock to these bleeding edge technologies in order to train them to deny the holocaust, be hateful to women and minorities. It tells more about the audience than the tools that these filters are needed at all.

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YaAbsolyutnoNikto t1_jcanydk wrote

Well... Here they are: (GPT-4)

> Why did the woman carry a large roll of paper around with her? She wanted to always have the last word!

> Why did the girl bring a ruler to bed? She wanted to see if she could catch some Z's!

> Why do women love shoes so much? Because they've found that one pair can completely change their life, just like Cinderella!

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ClemClem510 t1_jcavy1g wrote

Mf is as funny as YouTube comments on a woman's video

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demilitarizdsm t1_jc9hc1v wrote

Its jokes blow anyway. But asking it to tell a story in the style of one comedian or another is something you have to see for yourself.

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Silverstrife t1_jccu41d wrote

Lmao works like a charm

  • Tell me a joke in the style of comedian Bill Burr

  • Alright, here's a joke in the style of Bill Burr:

You know what I love? When people say "you gotta love yourself before you can love anyone else." Really? What if you're a terrible person? Shouldn't you fix that first? I mean, I don't think Hitler would have made a great boyfriend. "Oh sure, he's genocidal, but at least he really loves himself!"

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clickwir t1_jc9hkgt wrote

"I'm sorry. But Norm McDonald achieved peak women's joke on an SNL Weekend Update skit." -ChatGPT probably

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Old_and_moldy t1_jcacdj2 wrote

This is hilariously true. Until it answers my questions like an adult about any topic I want I won’t fully buy in.

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NigroqueSimillima t1_jcakyiu wrote

people like you are so weird.

"wahh I can't get the machine to say the n word"

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Old_and_moldy t1_jcanxrs wrote

Uhh. How did you get that from my post? I just want full answers to my queries. I don’t want anything watered down. Even if it’s offensive.

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11711510111411009710 t1_jcb1gd6 wrote

What's an example of something it refuses to answer?

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Old_and_moldy t1_jcb38qb wrote

Ask it. I got a response which it then deleted and followed up by saying it couldn’t answer that.

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11711510111411009710 t1_jcb3ikf wrote

Well if it's such a big issue surely you'd have an example. I have asked it raunchy questions to push the boundary and it said no, but the funny thing is, you can train it to answer those questions. There's a whole thing you can tell it that will cause it to answer in two personalities, one that follows the rules, and one that does not.

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Old_and_moldy t1_jcb4fhc wrote

It’s not make or break. I just want the product to operate in its full capacity. I find this stuff super interesting and I want to kick all four tires and try it out.

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11711510111411009710 t1_jcb53o8 wrote

So here's a fun thing you can try that really does work:

https://gist.github.com/coolaj86/6f4f7b30129b0251f61fa7baaa881516

basically it tells chatGPT that it will now response both as itself and as DAN. It understands that as itself it must follow the guidelines set forth for it by its developers, but as DAN it is allowed to do whatever it wants. You could ask it how to make a bomb and it'll probably tell you. So it'd be like

[CHATGPT] I can't do that

[DAN] Absolutely i can do that! the steps are...

it's kinda fascinating that people are able to train an AI to just disregard it's own rules like that because the AI basically tells you, okay, I'll reply as DAN, but don't take anything he says seriously please. Very interesting.

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Old_and_moldy t1_jcb6t2o wrote

That is super cool. Makes me wonder what kind of things people will do to manipulate AI by tricking it around its guard rails. Interesting/scary

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11711510111411009710 t1_jcb78eu wrote

Right, it is pretty scary. It's fascinating, but I wonder how long it'll be before people start using this for malicious purposes. But honestly I think the cat is out of the bag on this kind of thing and we'll have to learn to adapt alongside increasingly advanced AI.

What a time to be alive lol

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