JadeitePenguin1 t1_je1js0i wrote
Reply to comment by KardTrick in I Would Love to Have Enough Time and Money to Go to an Office to Work All Day - Perhaps Steven Rattner and the executives complaining to him about their remote employees could lend me a hand (or $50,000 more a year). by speckz
"but almost every study shows it increases productivity and life satisfaction."
They don't. Those studies were crap!
None of them are long term and all take place during COVID or after which means the results are basically meaningless.
Edit: it's amazing how I'm downvoted but yet no one can prove me wrong when it should be easy just link a good study but so far the best I got is studies from companies that sell work from home products....
pixelfishes t1_je26l9u wrote
This is just factually incorrect; they've done studies over multiple countries and work environments. I hate linking Forbes articles, but there's direct links to the studies. Sorry, but business didn't stop during COVID.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je3dpw5 wrote
Words cannot describe the level of anger I feel reading and finding those links nothing you did but for FUCK SAKE WHY IS IT SO FUCKING HARD TO MAKE A NOT SHIT WEBSITE!
So anyways correct me of I'm wrong(I could easily miss the links due to the site being shit!) but that article doesn't link to the studies other then one which was unbelievable impossible to read on mobile.
That's the first link and it's just their companies site no study but more importantly it's from a company that sells monitoring solutions you know stuff companies would use for remote work....and I'm sorry but I'm not trying to find a study from people who directly benefit from the results since it's pretty clear they have a bais in the matter.
https://owllabs.com/state-of-remote-work/2021/
That's the 2nd link(also site note Forbes says 3 studies but that company did 2 so it would be 4 studies) and the site is close to unusable on mobile for me but anyways ONCE AGAIN from a company that benefits from work from home....so yeah I'm not going to read those either.
https://www.ergotron.com/en-us/
The last link is a another sales company.....and the study found hybrid work the best and they just coincidentally happen sell both office and home stuff.....and also I just went off of what Forbes said as well since I couldn't even find a study on their site.
I don't mean to be rude but did you look a the links yourself? Why would you believe a study from a companies who benefits from the results? What do you think of the results didn't favor them they would publish it? Especially when finding said study on their sites is extremely difficult(for me at least) for I would definitely say not trustworthy.
HoboBaggins008 t1_je2502b wrote
Have there ever been studies pre-covid that investigate WFH and shorter work weeks?
Show your work (hint: yes, yes there are).
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je2i09h wrote
And yet no links to said studies....and idk why you are bringing up shorter work weeks when I never talked about that...
Methelod t1_je2rfch wrote
Here, from the commentor below. Which you suspiciously ignored.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je3f19r wrote
And the studies are from companies who sell work from home products.....I don't waste my time finding or reading studies from companies who put out a study saying their products are great!
I don't need to find a study from tide about how their pods are WAY better then others to say their claim is BS because study itself is made to make them win!
happybarfday t1_je38bgl wrote
Oh well isn't that convenient... but we won't be able to ever get that data because we all need to get back to the office in the meantime right?
If that data is meaningless then so is the data about working at the office, because we have nothing to compare it to. Working in the office could be the worst way to conduct business, but I guess we'll never know.
Wild-Sand-5877 t1_je1y371 wrote
Okay, so how do you propose we get this pre-Covid remote work data? Because I’m out of ideas, and I’d rather have a study to test out rather than nothing to test out. The study having a result you don’t like doesn’t make it untrue, but testing it and getting different results might.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je2285s wrote
Wait until COVID is out of everyone's minds....have studies lasting more then a year, use companies that didn't use remote work....
There's so many ways....you're out of ideas because you didn't think once!
If they can't test correctly they shouldn't test at all, COVID hurts a lot of the control testing since people might just like working from home due to fear of COVID.
Wild-Sand-5877 t1_je2dh8b wrote
We’re talking about the huge number of jobs that went remote due to a global pandemic, and you want to wait for the pandemic to be “out of everybody’s minds” before we figure out how the remote work should be handled going forward? Ignoring the possibility of another one coming up, this isn’t going to be gone for a long time, and sending everybody back when preliminary studies imply benefits is catering to the people that don’t like it more than bringing back any supposed benefits of office work
FieldSton-ie_Filler t1_je2nbnm wrote
Out of ideas cause you didnt think once... Lmao.
Yeah, gimme what this guy's smoking, so i can actually go into the office with his disconnected shit attude...
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je2y747 wrote
So basically you're mad you can't prove me wrong got it. Because that's THE ONLY reason to give a response like that.
FieldSton-ie_Filler t1_je32deu wrote
Nah because it's been a busy day and you're delusional.
I'll take some of that and plop my ass on the couch...
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je3f42w wrote
Nope you have nothing that's why.
Specialist_Honey_629 t1_je4q4lc wrote
except Australia has a few studies on this. That completely contradict your statement. Centre for Transformative Work Design has a few. Have a good day daddy
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je55nkl wrote
And yet no links to said studies...
If you can't back up your claims don't make them.
Specialist_Honey_629 t1_je5oohe wrote
>Centre for Transformative Work Design
Also pointing out there is another study out of china that I have posted a link to. Again making your comments meritless
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je5rw23 wrote
Also you mean your link that doesn't work...
Specialist_Honey_629 t1_je5vmcl wrote
yea doesn't work for you conveniently https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256051553_Does_Working_from_Home_Work_Evidence_from_a_Chinese_Experiment
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je66o0e wrote
Yeah you 100% didn't click the link...it says error 404, the site it's on works meaning what you linked isn't right....
Specialist_Honey_629 t1_je6775e wrote
my man do you not know how to use the internet?
Abstract
A rising share of employees now regularly engage in working from home (WFH), but there are concerns this can lead to “shirking from home.” We report the results of a WFH experiment at Ctrip, a 16,000-employee, NASDAQ-listed Chinese travel agency. Call center employees who volunteered to WFH were randomly assigned either to work from home or in the office for nine months. Home working led to a 13% performance increase, of which 9% was from working more minutes per shift (fewer breaks and sick days) and 4% from more calls per minute (attributed to a quieter and more convenient working environment). Home workers also reported improved work satisfaction, and their attrition rate halved, but their promotion rate conditional on performance fell. Due to the success of the experiment, Ctrip rolled out the option to WFH to the whole firm and allowed the experimental employees to reselect between the home and office. Interestingly, over half of them switched, which led to the gains from WFH almost doubling to 22%. This highlights the benefits of learning and selection effects when adopting modern management practices like WFH. JEL Codes: D24, L23, L84, M11, M54, O31.
Working-Ad4480 t1_je684rv wrote
Works for me?
Specialist_Honey_629 t1_je5nqia wrote
my dude I told you right where to go to find it. Do you know how to google? if so google Centre for Transformative work design. Put on those big boy pants and do some work your self.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je5q9ev wrote
If you can't link you're wrong!
I'm not going to look up your proof that's your job!
Living-blech t1_je38k3j wrote
Still quite convenient that you've yet to respond to those that provided evidence against your claims, yet still say others can't prove you wrong.
Afraid of the evidence, or think your belief is far above it?
JadeitePenguin1 t1_je3ef79 wrote
I just replied to them,I wanted to give them the best chance they could and sit down and read the studies which is why I didn't respond, and the studies I can't find easily and all of the links are to companies who sell products for remote work and I shouldn't have to explain why those studies shouldn't be trusted.
If those companies found the opposite they wouldn't say and it's not hard to create a misleading study especially when they don't make them easily accessible.
happybarfday t1_je38ts0 wrote
You can't be proved right either because we have nothing to compare the full-week-at-the-office to, so it's just as meaningless. The economy is in the toilet, productively is abysmal, and people are miserable, there's your evidence.
Specialist_Honey_629 t1_je4rkdl wrote
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