AuthorizedShitPoster t1_itn1wyp wrote on October 24, 2022 at 9:09 PM

Reply to comment by oodelay in Stockholm Thinks It Can Have an Electric Bikeshare Program So Cheap It’s Practically Free by Sorin61

True. But the system could be perfect if the taxpayers money was used in a way that benefited the people and not politicians. That goes for both Sweden and the country that should not be named.

Sjatar t1_itnsobp wrote on October 25, 2022 at 12:25 AM

Sweden is listed as the shared second highest ranking country on the Corruption Perception Index with a score of 85/100. (highest score is 88)

The country who should not be named has a score of 67/100. I doubt Sweden has a issue where taxpayer money does not go where it was meant to go. While I would agree that the country that should not be named probably has a issue on that front.

AuthorizedShitPoster t1_itnu3ua wrote on October 25, 2022 at 12:36 AM

That's a sad fact considering there's a lot of corruption in Sweden. I could make a list longer than infinity, but just from the last couple of days there's been cases of a sitting board member of a private school group becoming a minister responsible for regulating, allowing schools to continue taking out tax payers money in dividends. And another person in the previous government abusing rules to take out full severance pay while still taking full salary. Sweden is corrupt as fuck and it's sad beyond belief that they rank among the least corrupt countries.

Sjatar t1_itnvvh5 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 12:48 AM

That honestly does not sound to bad. But I'm also not a big fan of the new sitting government. Do you have other examples?

From that I would not say "corrupt as fuck" that sounds like a massive overstatement.

Private schools has been a big debate in the last vote and the Swedish people have voted for a government that will keep them with the same or loosened regulations. The severance packages has also gotten a huge spotlight put on it but it's still all above board, but adjustment to the system is talked about.

Sweden is not a perfect country, but it's not "corrupt as fuck" and it's hard to get away with corruption. That is why I think it ranks high.

AuthorizedShitPoster t1_itnyw6h wrote on October 25, 2022 at 1:10 AM

My examples were just from a couple of days. Just google and you'll have enough to read for the rest of your life, literally. My favorites from before the election was one guy handing out tax payers money to his relatives made up company or 5/8 of the parties in parliment getting caught literally trying to circumvent corruption laws regarding anonymous donations. Don't tell me there's no corruption please...

Sjatar t1_ito27ue wrote on October 25, 2022 at 1:33 AM

I'm not telling you there is no corruption, I'm telling you "corrupt as fuck" is a overstatement.

As if the shared second lowest corrupted country in the world is "corrupt as fuck" you need to normalize your ranking system or accuse the index of being wrong.

I'd like to also clarify the anonymous donation example. You cannot donate to a party anonymously since 2018. These parties also never took the money as the anonymous donor was in fact a undercover reporter from a popular TV show "Kalla Fakta" which have successfully uncovered a large amount of corruption scandals in Sweden. Again not saying there is no corruption. I'm saying it's hard to get away with it and the current laws have strict transparency requirements.

It could be that Sweden has a low amount of corruption but most if not all are publicly documented. Other countries which seems to have the same amount might in fact just have a large dark figure of corruption which is not publicly documented.

I cannot find the first example you gave.

AuthorizedShitPoster t1_ito3nkz wrote on October 25, 2022 at 1:43 AM

Mohamed Nassir Abdullahi Ali (S) is the guy I was referring to in the first example.

I'm not saying I don't believe Sweden is less corrupt than most countries. I'm saying there is endless amounts of incidents that are in fact corruption. It doesn't really matter how severe each incident is when it happens constantly. We shouldn't accept Swedens corruption just because other countries are worse. It's like saying sexual abuse is fine because you didn't put your dick in someone.

Sjatar t1_itofwqk wrote on October 25, 2022 at 3:17 AM

It's def not saying that. It's like saying that even if crime is bad it's very inefficient to root it all out. In the greater picture the life of a average citizen has to be the goal, while corruption scandals are embarrassing for Sweden there is not a rampant increase of them. As happened in 2018, when donations have to be declared, prevention of loop holes and more transparancy is being legislated.

Sweden is doing good and much better then other countries according to independent reports. Not sure why you cannot take back the phrasing "corrupted as fuck".