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LegitimateCrows t1_iuebree wrote

This is what happens when the market and these idiot “customers” wants shit CHEAP.

DUH.

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MadLintElf t1_iueckso wrote

When you want an electric scooter and don't have a lot of money it seems like a good deal. Yes the lower price should be a dead giveaway, but these batteries should be regulated and not allowed to be sold due to them being improperly manufactured.

We made our neighbor keep the charger and battery in a concrete garage for charging. At first they were offended, but we explained and showed them the video's and yeah they had no problem after that.

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zsreport OP t1_iuedcuf wrote

> When you want an electric scooter and don't have a lot of money it seems like a good deal.

Especially when you're a restaurant delivery worker who doesn't get paid much to begin with and gets treated like shit by your boss, the police, customers, etc.

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MadLintElf t1_iuefi9n wrote

Oh you are spot on with that, I see it happening more up in the Bronx. At least down here in Brooklyn the stores buy them, but they have enough common sense to charge them outside.

And yes they all get treated like shit and it sucks.

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LegitimateCrows t1_iuefkb7 wrote

I hear you for sure. But this is a problem in the US especially - the constant want for “cheap” and a race to the bottom. Of everything. That’s part of why we are where we are.

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zsreport OP t1_iueg1bp wrote

> the constant want for “cheap”

Unfortunately, lot of times it isn't a want so much as it is a need.

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kneedeepco t1_iuejhzq wrote

Yup this is a multifaceted problem. For one the lack of public transportation leads to an increase in the need of personal transportation such as an e-bike. Second, low wages lead to consumers leading to less than desirable products out of necessity. Third, we outsourced our labor to countries with much more loose regulations.

Our culture preaches profit first and these companies are following that. They don't care about consumer safety or the quality of their product as long as people will buy it and they'll make money.

Lastly... THERE IS A COST FOR EVERYTHING!!

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MadLintElf t1_iuej3aw wrote

I've lived in NYC for over 50 years. I try to only use glass bottles and containers to store everything and everything I buy comes in plastic that can't be recycled because it's cheaper to sell that way.

Thankfully we have ethnic markets, and you bring you own bag. Bulk rice, beans, fruits, dried good, etc. I'd rather recycle a glass bottle and brown paper bags than toss plastic into a landfill.

But you are right, the manufacturers have zero incentive to sell things that last. Heck I have an old black and white TV that is older than I am and still works. Can't tell you how many LCD tv's we have tossed over the years.

I keep saying our garbage dumps will be the mines that our future generations will be digging though. If we don't become sustainable we'll drown in our own crap and nothing will be left for future generations.

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Majik_Sheff t1_iuelz5q wrote

How about "we convinced our neighbor that what they were doing posed a risk to themselves and us by showing them examples."

Don't be a twat.

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moosemasher t1_iuezi94 wrote

More fun than the neighbor who refuses to listen and burns your house down.

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HenryKrinkle t1_iuf54k9 wrote

You can't put this on the customers. They can't be expected to know a bike they got a good price on is gonna fucking explode. And they could spend 3x the price and still have no guarantee that corners aren't being cut. It's completely the responsibility of the manufacturer to deliver a safe product.

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LegitimateCrows t1_iufjv93 wrote

It starts there though. Everything has been boiled down to quantity at cheap versus quality for a bit more money. Nearly everything.

I work in the bike industry. When you tell a customer “this battery is $800 and is name brand cells that are quality and that one is $200 prone to failure much more often” they are 8 out of 10 willing to “roll the dice” on it. And it often isn’t even about the money. They take the spare $600 and buy 2 more of the cheap batteries as “backups” to “extend the range” that they don’t need to pedal their lazy selves.

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sanbikinoraion t1_iuh5ggc wrote

"Prone to fail" is not the same as "could explode and kill you". And still some people don't have the money to make the good choice. This is about regulation.

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theborgs t1_iuez6hm wrote

GM had to recall all the Chevy Bolt they built because of faulty batteries that could burst into flames... I wouldn't call a $30k car cheap shit...

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online_jesus_fukers t1_iuf3gcu wrote

It was made of cheap shit to maximize the profits taking advantage of people who want an environmentally friendly car at a bargin price.

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Angelaira74 t1_iuf18g5 wrote

Tesla has had similar issues. These batteries are not the panacea we are being told they are. But people have to learn the hard way I guess.

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LegitimateCrows t1_iufk7d0 wrote

Not so much anymore:

“Much of this has to do with the rigid, fortified structure of the battery pack that is mounted to a car's floor, which provides a vehicle with exceptional strength, large crumple zones, and a uniquely low center of gravity. Because of their strength, Tesla's battery packs rarely incur serious damage in accidents.”

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Bensemus t1_iufyzqm wrote

No they haven’t. GM had a full quarter where they built only like 5 cars during the recall. Tesla never had to recall hundreds of thousands of cars for faulty batteries. GM is also suing Panasonic for billions for the recall.

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UncreativeTeam t1_iuf0npz wrote

It's unfair to call them idiots or cheap. Many are just scraping by trying to make a living with food deliveries.

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