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marin4rasauce t1_ixvbeei wrote

Reply to comment by Bombwriter17 in Europe wants to harness the power of the sun... from space/The ESA wants to collect solar energy from the cosmos to help the continent meet climate targets by Sorin61

Here's the reason Nuclear isn't supported as much as everyone on Reddit wants it to be: they have a history of not reaching completion.

This means it isn't a safe investment. Overnight and construction costs are unstable and rise above projections. At a certain stage of inflated costs it becomes more profitable to abandon the project as a company's or government's 20 year ROI becomes a 50 year ROI.

Concrete isn't getting less expensive any time soon.

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DukeOfGeek t1_ixvjptc wrote

Same arguments can be deployed against this idea too. Expensive, long build time, massive outlay of cash and resources before any power is received and a long time to get ROI on money and carbon sunk into it.

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marin4rasauce t1_ixy0yck wrote

Yeah, for sure. My point about nuclear plants is not an endorsement of this satellite solar beam.

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DukeOfGeek t1_ixy18j4 wrote

Everyone here always thinks they are being argued with, you're not.

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man_gomer_lot t1_ixvl63n wrote

Let's be real here. The primary barrier to nuclear development is the fossil fuel industry. They spend money to shape public sentiment and for them, it's money well spent. Ditto for the meat industry towards environmentally positive notions like veganism or even eating less meat.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_ixvqdub wrote

Veganism has nothing to do with environmental sustainability. Palm oil is vegan. Pleather is vegan.

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man_gomer_lot t1_ixwys51 wrote

Miss me with that ignorant bullshit.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_ixx00kn wrote

That has nothing to do with what I said. Which was "Veganism has nothing to do with environmental sustainability. Palm oil is vegan. Pleather is vegan."

It's about feeling morally superior.

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man_gomer_lot t1_ixx16ay wrote

This is you right now: " There are examples of unsustainable practices that qualify as vegan, therefore the meat industry and their influence on federal policy is as harmless to the environment as any alternative." Sounds a lot like the conclusions we reach on the policy level in regards to fossil fuels vs. nuclear or any alternative.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_ixxbny1 wrote

Well if veganism was about sustainability wouldn't it be included in the entire ethos? it's not though. It's only about animals. I didn't make the rules, they did. You can eat animals sustainably and you can not eat animals and still use unsustainable practices. Don't be mad at me because your ideology is inconsistent with itself.

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man_gomer_lot t1_ixyn0ex wrote

This isn't actually about veganism, it's about the meat mega industry, the influence it has on shaping public opinion, and how that is parallel to the way big oil operates in regards to threats to their respective market caps.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iy0j1tw wrote

Your problem seems to be with capitalism. Trying to convince me capitalism is bad is just preaching to the choir.

It's like how socialism has nothing to do with democracy because one is an economic system and the other is political. You can be a democratic socialist or a Fascist socialist.

You're the one who brought up veganism in regards to environmentalism in the first place. I just pointed out the truth that environmentalism has no standing on weather or not something is vegan. Take it up with PETA or the Vice Admiral Vegan or whoever is in charge of that shit if you have a problem with that.

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man_gomer_lot t1_iy0r8ey wrote

You don't understand where I'm coming from because apparently it's like me trying to talk about water to a fish. It might be easier to wrap your head around by looking at the tobacco industry and where we would be if we let them write the rules on how much influence they can have. We're doing this right now, but with fossil fuels and meat instead of cigarettes and asbestos.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iy0sbs4 wrote

I understand exactly where you're coming from. You're upset that being vegan doesn't automatically give you a free pass to being environmentally conscious and you want to have all the moral superiorities. You collect them like Pokémon.

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