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Banea-Vaedr t1_iz5zmyo wrote
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From The Justice Department report on the raid
>1. Historical evidence suggested that Koresh had engaged in child physical and sexual abuse over a long period of time prior to the ATF shootout on February 28. This evidence was insufficient to establish probable cause to indict or proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict, but it was sufficient to be relevant to the decision making process involving the proposed tear gas plan. The historical evidence is discussed in more detail below.
- There was no direct evidence indicating that Koresh engaged in any physical or sexual abuse of children during the standoff.
>The Branch Davidians were well armed with small arms,[125][126] possessing 305 total firearms, including numerous rifles (semi-automatic AK-47s and AR-15s), shotguns, revolvers and pistols;[
Not illegal. They were all licensed. They had a literal fully licensed gun shop. That's called "inventory"
>46 semi-automatic firearms modified to fire in fully automatic mode (included on above list): 22 AR-15 (erroneously referred to as M16), 20 AK-47 rifles, 2 HK SP-89, 2 M-11/Nine[87][127] Texas Rangers reported "at least 16 AR-15 rifles,";[81] 2 AR-15 lower receivers modified to fire in fully automatic mode;
This is a very simple mod one might make if, say, the FBI raided you with no warning.
>parts for fully automatic AK-47 and M16 rifles
Missing the lower receiver. You know, the part that is a gun. They used them to stylize legal firearms.
>30-round magazines and 100-round magazines for M16 and AK-47 rifles; pouches to carry large ammunition magazines; substantial quantities of ammunition of various sizes.
All legal.
>Other items found at the compound included about 1.9 million rounds of "cooked off" ammunition;[81] grenade launcher parts; flare launchers; gas masks and chemical warfare suits; night vision equipment; hundreds of practice hand grenade hulls and components (including more than 200 inert M31 practice rifle grenades, more than 100 modified M-21 practice hand grenade bodies, 219 grenade safety pins and 243 grenade safety levers found after the fire
You ever been to a gun show? These things absolutely get sold, especially the dummy grenades.
>Kevlar helmets and bulletproof vests; 88 lower receivers for the AR-15 rifle; and approximately 15 sound suppressors or silencers
All legal. Again, they had a literal licensed gun shop they'd sell from.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6g4wp wrote
>2. There was no direct evidence indicating that Koresh engaged in any physical or sexual abuse of children during the standoff.
Lol DURING the standoff? You think that makes it ok? The point is he was raping kids BEFORE the standoff. That's what led to the stand off.
The rest of your post is a bunch of dumb technalities.
The reality is that this was an insane cult that not only was raping children but also posed a huge threat to the wider community because of their accumulation of an arsenal of weaponry. Look up Aum Shrinkyo for what happens when violent cults go unchecked.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz6h8na wrote
>Lol DURING the standoff? You think that makes it ok? The point is he was raping kids BEFORE the standoff. That's what led to the stand off.
It does in combination with point one, which establishes they didn't have enough evidence to get a warrant on it.
>The rest of your post is a bunch of dumb technalities.
No, it's not. It establishes the FBI had no reason to raid them the way they did.
>Look up Aum Shrinkyo for what happens when violent cults go unchecked.
The Branch Davidians were not a death cult like Aum Shirinkyo is.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6hvhf wrote
Yes they were...
Question, do you actually literally believe David Koresh wasn't raping kids or is that just convenient for your narrative that there wasn't enough evidence?
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz6i2dk wrote
>Yes they were...
Their warrant was literally for tax evasion.
>Question, do you actually literally believe David Koresh wasn't raping kids or is that just convenient for your narrative that there wasn't enough evidence?
I believe the FBI abused their authority to murder 82 people in cold blood
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6j38k wrote
>Their warrant was literally for tax evasion.
And Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. But I'd be a naive gullible idiot to say that means he wasn't a mobster.
Murdered in cold blood is a ridiculous characterization of what happened. Especially since many of the kids had stab wounds and gun shot wounds FROM THE CULT MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
But neo nazis love to big this event up as the ultimate travesty of justice while dismissing cops shooting unarmed minorities as no big deal.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz6o7pe wrote
>And Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. But I'd be a naive gullible idiot to say that means he wasn't a mobster.
The difference is that Capone couldn't explain where the money was from. Koresh could. He offered it to them, in fact. Repeatedly. On live national television, to the FBI informant, to the county sheriff, to everyone.
>Especially since many of the kids had stab wounds and gun shot wounds FROM THE CULT MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
Interesting how that position comes only from the FBI and everyone in the community and all the cult members' friends and family strongly disagree. When everyone but the cops disagrees with you, you're probably wrong.
>But neo nazis love to big this event up as the ultimate travesty of justice while dismissing cops shooting unarmed minorities as no big deal.
Cops shooting anybody under false pretenses and then covering it up is bad.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6p45t wrote
>Interesting how that position comes only from the FBI and everyone in the community and all the cult members' friends and family strongly disagree
It's not that interesting that criminals would blame the cops for everything and exonerate themselves.
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