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drawkbox t1_j67vdfs wrote

eBay has some sketchy leadership last while...

Anyone remember when eBay, from the top, harassed an old couple like they were some organized crime operation? Maybe there is something to that eBay/PayPal mafia name. Feels like half of it is money laundering.

It is way worse than you think. Almost like a mafia extortion / threat / fixer style team with threat after threat and following them around, sending them shit and all extremely fucked up. This is stuff the mafia does to people that are leveraged and they are forcing some "offer you can't refuse" shit.

> that Sunday, Steiner was simply surprised and dismayed to see the word “Fidomaster” spray-painted across his fence. He tried to clean up the mess before Ina, who was out paddle boarding, returned home but he failed. Ina recognized that the name matched an anonymous commenter on their newsletter, one who was particularly critical of eBay.

> “This was very unnerving,” Ina recalled in an interview with the Globe this week. “It didn’t make any sense.”

> Two days later, the phone rang. It was a taxidermy and animal parts shop in Arizona calling to ask about a purported order for the Steiners of a fetal pig. The Steiners’ delivery address didn’t match the billing address on the credit card used on the order, so the shop called to double check the order. Shaken, the Steiners canceled the order.

> “I thought, here we go, from online to the real world,” Ina said. “It was really scary.”

> The couple decided to call the Natick police, and an officer arrived at their house to take a report, they said. As the officer was leaving the house, he noticed a package by the front door. While David and the officer continued talking, Ina opened the package in the kitchen. Seeing bits of hair and skin, she screamed. Inside was a mask of a bloody pig face, like the one worn by a crazed killer in the “Saw” horror movie series. The officer added the details to his report.

> The Twitter abuse continued to escalate and even more bizarre deliveries arrived, the couple said. One day it was a book for David called “Grief Diaries: Surviving Loss of a Spouse.” Ina said she Googled the return address of another package, and when she discovered the sender was called Carolina Biological Supply Co., she feared they might need to call a hazmat team. A call to the company revealed the package was filled with live spiders and fly larvae; they turned it over to the police.

> A few days later, a florist arrived with a sympathy wreath for David. The driver told the Steiners he had come from Central Square in Cambridge and was instructed to leave the $255 wreath by their back door without ringing the bell. Ina snapped a picture, more evidence for the police, and debriefed the delivery man.

> “All of these small retailers, they were being weaponized to be used against us,” David said.

> On Aug. 15, the campaign took a darker turn. Unbeknownst to the Steiners, a group of Baugh’s employees had flown to Boston, rented two vehicles, and checked into the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, according to federal documents. They initially planned to plant a tracking device on the Steiners’ car. Luckily, the Toyota Rav4 was locked in the garage and the eBay team retreated to the hotel, the documents allege.

> But the next day the team returned. David Steiner was up on a ladder installing one of several new security cameras he’d purchased, while Ina handed him tools out of a second-floor window. Suddenly, Ina saw a dark-colored Dodge Caravan driving up their street. “Black van, New York plates,” she told David as the vehicle drove past.

>“We felt in danger, we felt like targets,” Ina said.

> The van took another pass by the house, as captured by one of the couple’s security cameras. Then, later in the day, David noticed the same van pull out to follow him while he was in his car with a friend.

> “I can still feel how every hair on the back of my neck stood up,” David said, as the van followed him for several blocks.

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> On Aug. 18, David became determined to break out and go to the grocery store. Again, a vehicle, a silver SUV, started following him. He called Ina. “I’m going to take them downtown,” he told her, planning to drive to the Natick Police Department.

> The SUV followed at a distance. He pulled over and parked across the street from the police station. As the SUV slowly drove past, he propped Ina’s iPhone up on the steering wheel and photographed the stalkers. “I’m determined to take a picture this time, I just kept hitting the button,” he said.

> With a full license plate number in hand from David’s pictures, the Natick police quickly started to unravel the conspiracy. The vehicle tracked back to an eBay contractor who was staying at the Ritz.

That is just part of it...

Who the hell works somewhere and even cares enough about the company to protect it with literal stalking and threats? I mean is some criminal shit going on at eBay? Doesn't even make sense how it would get to that level.

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brodie7838 t1_j68i6t4 wrote

The worst part is how the CEO walked scott free + a fat AF severance package. This article says he had no direct knowledge of the situation, but he literally kicked the whole thing off with this message to another exec who sent it to the security guy who got jailtime:

"If you are ever going to take her down … now is the time,”

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drawkbox t1_j68jlgw wrote

Yeah the CEO and seven members of the global security team for eBay were involved. It was run out of the company which is even more insane. The CEO was "not charged" but definitely was the driver or let it happen and approved.

> A cyberstalking and harassment campaign conducted in 2019 against an online newsletter led to charges made public in 2020 against seven members of eBay's global security team, as well as arrests of two of those charged. Wenig, the company's CEO at the time of the harassment campaign, has not been charged.

EBay stalking scandal

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BrainJar t1_j69c63d wrote

I don't disagree with how heinous this was, but this was two CEO's ago...nearly every VP and C-Suite leader has been replaced since then. Anyone below that level, besides the dipshits that were directly involved didn't have any idea how stupid the CEO and Physical Security team were being. There are very few leaders that remain from this time too, and none of them were in the direct leadership chain of that CEO. What you're trying to tie together at the end misses the mark of the current state of affairs at the company. This was just one isolated and very stupid thing.

In addition, TCGPlayer is an affiliate of eBay and only recently purchased by eBay. Saying that their batshit crazy stuff with the Union (and I agree that anything that they're doing to try to keep that office from unionizing is just plain stupid, in addition to being illegal) is associated with eBay is a misnomer. Sure, they're a part of eBay, but they have kept their entire leadership and operations separate from eBay operations.

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drawkbox t1_j69foob wrote

True, though culturally maybe some of that still lingers. This wasn't that long ago, January 2019.

Would TCGPlayer have done the same actions on Unions if they weren't part of eBay, I don't know.

I just think this is such a wild story that any mention of eBay makes me thing how messed up it was that a company at the top did this to a freaking newsletter.

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BrainJar t1_j69kb0a wrote

Thanks to Devin’s actions, the entire company has a new set of annual training that they have to go through, specific to this corrupt asshole. On top of that, they have quarterly acknowledgement of ethics training that they have conduct with their teams. And no, there’s no “culture” lingering related to Devin. Four years is a long time in company timeframes.

I worked there for ten years and I don’t think some affiliate that is only loosely connected with eBay takes its lead from eBay on unions. Prior to eBay, I was a shop steward in our Union, and I’m always looking out for that bias. I didn’t hear anything like that at eBay. So, no, it’s conjecture and contrived to sensationalize their name recognition in the story.

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drawkbox t1_j69l2rk wrote

Well if it is better now that is good. eBay always has a little bit of sketch going on, not necessarily the company but some of the market but that is the nature of things, that is why newsletters and ratings and external curation is good where needed. However, companies even ones with ethics training will still have pockets of bad people, just like here. It is usually never the whole thing or most people, always a cabal.

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The_Original_Gronkie t1_j69mwkr wrote

>Who the hell works somewhere and even cares enough about the company to protect it with literal stalking and threats? I

Some people would gladly do that for fun. There are lots of sick people who are looking for any justification to bully people. "Protecting" your employer would be good enough for them, especially if it comes with a bit of a cash bonus. It also gives them a bit of job security because the company will keep them around to do dirty work whenever it's needed.

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