Submitted by TheMisterManGuy t3_119raob in television

The mid to late 2000s was the peak of what was considered "tween" media. That is, movies and tv shows for an audience between children and teenagers that was "too old for toys, too young for boys". The Disney Channel was a forerunner in this demographic with smash hits like Hannah Montana, High School Musical, Camp Rock, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, Wizards of Waverly Place, That's So Raven, Kim Possible, and many more. Nickelodeon also had its hits with iCarly, Zoey 101, Drake & Josh. These shows combine goofy sitcom antics and childish gags, with hip teenage characters and pop music to make the largely female child audience think they're watching something aimed at teenagers.

I've recently revisited some of these shows (partly out of nostalgia), and upon more and more research from this general time period of pop culture, it dawned on me that "tweens" as a tangible demographic, makes no logical sense. The general age range of what is considered "tweens" has changed over the years and varies from person to person, but the most common age groups cited are "8 to 12", "10 to 12", or "9 to 13", some go as low as 7 year olds.

The fact that people can't agree on a specific age group for this concept shows how flawed it is at its core. That's not to say the idea didn't start out with good intentions. When Disney Channel first coined the term in the late 90s, it was mainly to appeal to a niche of kids in middle school who wanted a more family-friendly alternative to edgier channels like MTV, which were starting to become popular at that age, but not all kids felt comfortable with just yet. But then that strategy became too successful, and suddenly marketeers and toy companies used it as an excuse to try and sell parent-friendly teen-esque lifestyles to 9 year olds.

So middle schoolers feel like the most accurate description for what the concept of "tween" would entail (in between childhood and teenhood). But here's the thing, Middle school in the US is generally aged 11 to 13, or 10 to 14 depending on your birthday. That's quite a bit older and more narrow than the age groups that are usually cited when referring to tweens. On top of that, middle school has always been a notoriously tricky age group when discussing what exactly is "appropriate" for that age, due to just how shattered kids are at that age (both psychologically and physically) thanks to puberty. If you look at any middle school, in any grade, you see a bunch of kids already dating, sneaking drugs, and talking about adult topics, and then you also have a bunch of kids who still play with Hot Wheels and Rolblox, or still believe in cooties, and then a bunch of kids who don't fit in on eitther extreme. It's a giant melting pot, and perhaps the hardest age group to find one size-fits all stuff for compared to younger children or teenagers.

But I think the ultimate problem with "tween" media during this time, was that it never was a true middle ground between content for kids, and content for teenagers. There's a really good video on YouTube discussing this problem comparing a tween show to a teen show, and how drastic the difference in tone and content is. Where you can instantly go from squeaky-clean kidcoms, to raunchy, brooding dramas filled with tons of sex, drugs, and violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxK9G4Q92D0

Basically, the question boils down to, why was there never any middle ground between "iCarly" and "Gossip Girl"? To me, the closest has always been anime. Anime fandom in my view at least, often peaks during middle school because it's often that middle ground between "kids shows" and "teen shows" that you don't find much of in American-made pop culture, particularly with Shonen and Shojo. Something like One Piece, Full Metal Alchemist, or newer stuff like My Hero Academia were a nice combination of colorful worlds, humor, and sense of adventure and optimism found in children's shows, with still having more mature themes and content that kids in middle school start to crave, while also not going too far in themes in content that parents of a 12 or 13 year old would worry about.

Point is, I feel like there has always been kid of a lack of a between "Kids stuff" and "Teens stuff" in media, and that "tween" over time, just started becoming an excuse to let 8 year old girls pretend they're teenagers.

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u2sunnyday t1_j9o95gx wrote

I feel like Nickelodeon came up with the tween concept with SNICK. Clarissa Explains It All, Alex Mack, etc.

In the 90's, for the most part, Disney Channel was mostly cartoons and black and white movies (Elvis).

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TheMisterManGuy OP t1_j9pwiye wrote

Nick got the concept started. But Disney effectively built an entire network around it that eventually became one of the company's biggest cash cows in the mid-late 2000s.

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Bonezone420 t1_j9r7elo wrote

>Point is, I feel like there has always been kid of a lack of a between "Kids stuff" and "Teens stuff" in media, and that "tween" over time, just started becoming an excuse to let 8 year old girls pretend they're teenagers.

LMAO that you're singling out girls. Beyond that though, your post - for all its effort - feels rather ignorant; the "tweenage" target audience has pretty much always been around, what corporate calls it shifts every few decades because marketing to children, more so than any other group, shifts radically with their social interests.

When you're making something for kids, basically everyone knows you have to stratify it more intensely than other age groups because the minds of pre-adolescent (or tween) children vs. a kid in the early and middle stages of childhood are vastly different. Shit like "Nanalan'" made for kids still going through early childhood, might appeal to someone still in the middle stages of child growth; but isn't likely to offer much to a preadolescent who, by then, is going to want something more directly stimulating and engaging to their mind.

And yes, it's largely just a naming scheme to better market to that specific group. What do you think does better in reaching their target audience? A TV block aimed at "preadolescent children" or "Hip Tweens"? And you get it in every age group, not just the tweens. A lot of teenage media is focused on treating the viewers how they want to be treated; with respect, like they're small adults capable of making their own decisions and that their parents are just boring and don't get them. That kind of shit flies way better than "cartoons for adolescents"

The in-between stage of development between childhood and adolescence is literally pre-adolescence, that 9-12 demographic who are at that point in their life where they do tend to be leaving their old toys and games behind and rushing towards more "adult" interests as their personality starts to shape and bodies and minds develop. When you complain that it's just "an excuse to let 8 year old girls pretend they're teenagers"; my dude, that's literally what most preadolescent kids want - to be older and treated like they're older because they're starting to feel like they're not a kid anymore, while simultaneously not quite being there yet. It's why media aimed at them tends to be soft ball versions of more "adult" media - sitcoms and the like.

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yowza9 t1_j9tqzin wrote

Disney basically took what Nickelodeon was doing and combined it with something like Saved By The Bell.

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