Submitted by abunchofjerks t3_119boe9 in television
twbrn t1_j9lg4hw wrote
Reply to comment by Col_Irving_Lambert in One in Ten U.S. Adults Pirated TV, Movies or Live Sports in 2022 by abunchofjerks
Let's rephrase it: one in ten adults ADMITTED to pirating content.
WeDriftEternal t1_j9llo27 wrote
This also includes 65+ audience that likely has no idea what any of these questions even were and thats ~20% of the sample.
And there is an additional 5% that is "prefer not to say" which means yes.
Its probably 20-25% of the 18-64 population would reasonable assumptions who pirate, if not more
Chief7064 t1_j9m6w9o wrote
Dunno...we've been pirating software since the 1980's and Napster rolled out in late 90s. Before that we had the FTP sites. Some pirates are older than you may think. Can confirm at least 60 years old.
[deleted] t1_j9nnmai wrote
I'm a millennial and well over half my class wouldn't pirate stuff because of all the stories floating around of kids bricking the family computer due to the fun that was Limewire.
If you had a CD burner and could pirate, you could run a little hustle even.
LiKwId-Gaming t1_j9nt6f8 wrote
My brother in law did this in school using my pc. He made cash, I got a growing music library from direct rips.
aminbae t1_j9oxhxa wrote
shit i did that hustle in school with music
qtx t1_j9nsucg wrote
> If you had a CD burner and could pirate, you could run a little hustle even.
CD-rom/BR players in computers/laptops hasn't been a thing for over a decade.
Civil-Big-754 t1_j9pskix wrote
They're talking about limewire and you think they're talking about currently?
nedzissou1 t1_j9pawff wrote
I don't think they were referring to recent times.
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lkn240 t1_j9mvloz wrote
I'm 46 and used to download games using a modem starting in the late 80s lol.
I stopped pirating games a long time ago because Steam is awesome and worth paying for.
LiKwId-Gaming t1_j9nt1pt wrote
Before the refund policy I would pirate to demo if I was unsure.
dkggpeters t1_j9oirff wrote
This is what they do not understand. Provide a service at a reasonable price that meets expectations and pirating is reduced drastically.
WeDriftEternal t1_j9m7rbx wrote
I linked a thing above that only about 2% of 65+ do digital piracy, so its not zero, but its a really small amount, give or take 0.005% of overall 18+ group. We'd expect over time as more people age into that group it will change, but this is where it currently stands.
PitbullMandelaEffect t1_j9lpiwc wrote
If you’re just gonna start making up numbers, why not just go the full 100%
I don’t really see any reason to more than double the findings. Even here, on a subreddit dedicated to television populated by the demographics most likely to pirate, we have multiple people commenting they don’t know how.
WeDriftEternal t1_j9lqu8m wrote
Not making up numbers, extrapolating already existing date.
65+ makes up about 20% of the entire 18+ US population, for which this study is based off. Assuming methodology is within reasonable ranges, you can assume about 20% of the sample is also 65+, with N=2000 they likely have a wide, representative, sample, as YouGov is a pretty reliable survey group.
When you take those "prefer not to say" on a basis of already asking about potentially vice or illegal actions which tend do underreport, you could always change it to a likert scale, and those "prefer not to say" are probably falling into a "likely, or highly likely" type bucket, which is good enough to make assumptions, and again, at least some, likely not insignificant number will give false responses of "no" or "not sure" even though they do pirate, you have to account for this error
So you add in all these sources of change, error, and bucket in likely users and remove about 20% of the population (65+), that were highly likely in the "No" category, and you would reasonable see a shift to the right slightly. Its very reasonable to assume 20%-25% may be more indicitive of the 18-64 range
PitbullMandelaEffect t1_j9ltdsl wrote
Wow, and just like that, the “if not more” has magically disappeared from your claim. Wonder what correcting the percentage of the adult population above 65 (16.9%) is gonna do to your numbers next.
WeDriftEternal t1_j9luxw0 wrote
If not more is reasonable too, I kept it easy in the last comment that 20-25% is a reasonable assumption, but considering the error rate and type of survey, our estimates likely are on the lower bound than the middle or upper bound, so "if not more" in my comment indicates potential spot on the curve is on the left, but we don't know where, but the assumption is that we are not at the upper bound, and I provided a range estimate as well acknowledging error and unknown
FYI 16.9% is the 65+ total US population, in this study it was only looking at 18+, so you adjust the population and 65+ is around 20% of US 18+ population (its actually about 21%-22%, depending on what metrics you use, and I don't have the methodology of the survey, so using 20% as an assumption is fine, as it even underestimates, so teh comment about "if not more" is even more valid since i underestimated the "no" group)
PitbullMandelaEffect t1_j9lvh3a wrote
Just out of curiosity, why are we excluding the 65+ population? Do you not consider them people or something.
WeDriftEternal t1_j9lwech wrote
65+ are far less likely to engage in digital priacy.
Here's a study example showing only 2% of 65+ are involved in digital piracy. In other words, a significant part of our "no" category is likely coming from this particular group. This also shows piracy leans towards younger audiences, for example in this survey, a 18-29 year old is 10x more likely to engage in piracy than a 65+ gives us a lot of indication that the 65+ audience isn't a major factor and we may be able to get better insight if we exclude them
PitbullMandelaEffect t1_j9m1r1j wrote
Yes, if you remove the segments of the population least likely to pirate, the data will show pirating is more common. Exactly what “insights” are you attempting to find here? Are you just trying to pump the number up as high as possible?
WeDriftEternal t1_j9m5zyr wrote
This is how you do analysis. You look at the data and see what additional insights you can draw, you evaluate your original assumption and update it from the new data.
For example, we have what is likely an outlier group here (we actually probably have 2, 1 young 1 old). And you look at what the data looks like without the outlier. Does this provide more insight? Is there something unusual about the group you excluded that makes it necessary or not necessary to include. What do these separated data tell you now? Was this group just padding "no's"? Were they even relevant to ask or should we assume they never were going to be "yes's".
Its one step of many to the next iteration of analysis and research.
Additionally, its pretty common to bucket out 18-64 in a lot of research, especially things like media (media often uses 18-54, 55+, or 65+). Even moreso, we have a pretty good understanding of the 65+ group in media much more than younger groups in how they consume and spend on media (there's lots to say here but its getting deep technical).
In otherwords, there isn't juicing, what you want to do is see what the hell is happening, and adjusting the data to look at it from different angles is one step and seeing where things fit.
WorldsAbove t1_j9mfno0 wrote
“This is how bernie can still win” vibes
tidho t1_j9ng0gg wrote
a 65 yo was 40 when Napster launched, they understand the question.
WeDriftEternal t1_j9ngo9t wrote
Actually you can see a study below I posted, while I was making jest, in this recent study, only 2% of 65+ year olds pirated. Thats super low as you can see from the other age groups
tidho t1_j9oleca wrote
just because they don't do it doesn't mean they don't know what it is.
at it's core pirating is really about entitlement. folks that grew up in the 80's or earlier were raised a little differently than the 'everyone gets a trophy' generations.
nedzissou1 t1_j9pb2uq wrote
Doesn't mean they know how, or have ever wanted to pirate. My parents certainly don't.
WorldsAbove t1_j9mfkma wrote
1 in 4 people around you do not pirate shit lol.
__brunt t1_j9lo40m wrote
If you cap the age at 40, I would be blown away if the number were any less than 85%
yeroii t1_j9ly2wv wrote
I'd be surprised if the number was that high tbh.
qtx t1_j9nt2lb wrote
People now in their 40/50s are the ones who started the whole pirate scene with BBS's, they're the ones who are more likely to still pirate compared to the 15 - 30 age group.
sw0rd_2020 t1_j9q4y5u wrote
you think the entire ipad generation knows how to pirate? i was the only one out of my roughly 30 friends in college who even knew how to torrent, let alone shit like setting up a plex server for your own content
yeroii t1_j9lxykt wrote
Streaming is far more convenient than pirating. It's not really surprising that people opt to stream.
twbrn t1_j9m4hbf wrote
It's more convenient right up until it isn't. When you were looking at two to four streaming services--say Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and HBO--it was convenient.
When you're looking down the barrel of eight to ten streaming services to get the same amount of content, there's going to be a sharp rise. Especially with services like HBO and the like now farming out a bunch of their content to smaller streamers.
yeroii t1_j9mi7o8 wrote
>It's more convenient right up until it isn't.
It is still more convenient tho.
Besides it's better than there are a bunch of streamers, it doesn't only force them to keep making amazing content but prevents a monopoly. Which would only lead to a sharp increase of prices or far less content... Likely to both.
Pirating can be dragging and slow.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really surprise me why less people are pirating now. it's not really worth my time, when I can just subscribe to whatever streamer I like to watch something in particular and then cancel and rinse and repeat.
It's peak convenience.
qtx t1_j9ntapr wrote
Pirating is way more convenient though. I can download a higher quality release faster than searching through a handfull of streaming sites.
lkn240 t1_j9mvnt0 wrote
Except for sports - sports streaming is a disaster.
LiKwId-Gaming t1_j9ntc06 wrote
Yeah, then it’s pulled while you’re mid season. Or worse they have season 1-3 but season 4-5 is exclusive to another service.
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