grandmofftalkin t1_j6ixw5h wrote on January 30, 2023 at 5:44 PM

Reply to comment by Delicious-Tachyons in What’s actually a good/tolerable example of retconning? by unitedfan6191

Right and TNG both the series and movies never showed a relationship with the two of them beyond captain/crewman. Data had a stronger friendship with Geordi, Troi and Worf

Delicious-Tachyons t1_j6j0cgr wrote on January 30, 2023 at 5:59 PM

Yeah well Picard was only ever close to Crusher ... he's the captain. Everyone else was at arm's length.

twbrn t1_j6jt8mr wrote on January 30, 2023 at 8:58 PM

> Right and TNG both the series and movies never showed a relationship with the two of them beyond captain/crewman.

I wouldn't agree with that. Data routinely went to Picard for a lot of things. Picard's the man who was teaching him humanity through acting. The man who stood between Data and Starfleet first when they wanted to experiment on Data, then when they wanted to experiment on his daughter. Data was more than anyone else responsible for saving Picard from the Borg. And Data sacrificed himself to save Picard's life.

grandmofftalkin t1_j6jzlog wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:37 PM

Yes but how many times did Picard confide in Data? He mostly confided in Troi, Beverly and Riker. So it was bizarre to me for him in the Picard finale to be like "I've never gotten over your loss my dearest friend"

A stronger way to hang that plot point would've been for Picard to be like "As your captain I've helped shepherd you on your journey to be more human, there's not a more human experience than death I'll be here for you." But they retconned a closeness these two characters never mutually shared on screen before