twbrn t1_j4ttkd9 wrote
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> Anything a conservative does he tries to make sound bad
He doesn't really need to work to do that.
AngelicDevilz t1_j4txurm wrote
I'm a communist, far left as you can go and this just isn't true.
An example is tighter immigration policy. Less workers in a country means companis are forced to pay citizens more to keep them. Without H1B visas they would have to provide free training to their low skilled workers in order to have enough specialists to produce their products/services thus raising people out of poverty. The way it works now is we just bring in upper class citizens from other countries whose families had enough money to send them to good colleges to take these jobs at lower wages than upper middle class Americans will work for thus lowering wages for the industry and helping well to do foreign citizens make slightly more while depriving their birth countries of the skilled labor they need. Immigration benifits the rich at the expense of the poor.
That's one example.
hannibalbaracka t1_j4uy3lw wrote
It's a terrible example.
The US is currently experiencing a labor shortage, which is why you saw help wanted signs everywhere. Immigrants arent taking people's jobs, they help fill the gaps in working class fields.
Highly skilled immigrants on the other hand aren't lowering anyone's wages, they're just working in jobs in white collar industries and are treated the same as everyone else. Not to mention that immigrants have a massively positive economic benefit toward the country and are massively overrepresented in innovation and startups.
And then there are the moral implications of stricter immigration policy.
AngelicDevilz t1_j4xjrsp wrote
So of you could hire someone from a foreign country for cheaper than it costs to train a local then why wouldn't you?
And the moral implication of a country not having enough doctors because they all try to immigrate is that the poor citizens of the native country that don't have the skills to get an H1B visa are left without enough doctors. NPR has done a few stories on its devistating effects in India for example.
Not to mention that universal healthcare and ubi are not possible in a system that allows for high levels of immigration.
But please,tell me how I am wrong instead of just claiming I am. I used to help illegally immigrants skirt the rules to avoid deportation before I became a communist because I was unaware of the impact on the working class.
I suppose of you don't want social saftwy nets and you don't care about Americans in poverty then immigration is great. In reality many of these people should be working to improve their own countries to get them at USA levels.
hannibalbaracka t1_j4xo8pk wrote
Your entire premise is flawed.
A) There is little evidence that immigrants actually suppress wages of native born workers. https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/23550/chapter/2
This is true for both blue collar and white collar workers.
B) Immigrants are also job creators. They are more likely to found businesses (and employ others) than native born Americans. https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/immigrants-to-the-u-s-create-more-jobs-than-they-take/amp
C) The idea that it is incumbent on the United States to prevent people from entering the country as an altruistic measure to prevent brain drain in other countries is ludicrous. Not only does it actively hurt the United States, but it is not up to the United States to decide to help other countries in need of doctors by preventing them from immigrating to the US
D) Many countries with universal healthcare currently have high levels of immigration, so it is most certainly possible.
E) Many of these people who want to immigrate are incapable of “working to get their country to US levels” because of risk of persecution, war, climate disaster, authoritarian regimes, bad policymaking and more.
Immigration is proven to be good for the economy, good for immigrants, and good for workers.
And even if it wasn’t good for american workers (which it is), As a communist, you might remember that a certain someone said “Workers of the world, unite!” He didn’t say, “Workers of the world, as long as you’re American, unite.”
AngelicDevilz t1_j4xq95b wrote
I still disagree but am too stoned and lazy to refute you with sources and bullet points.
twbrn t1_j4vslv9 wrote
> An example is tighter immigration policy.
Thing is, their obsession with immigration isn't about H1Bs, it's about brown people coming over the border to work service jobs. Even there, it's more about propaganda than policy--"migrant caravans" anyone?
AngelicDevilz t1_j4xho3q wrote
More unskilled labor also means lowering wages for low skilled be workers. If you can hire someone here illegally and pay them less than min wage and no taxes then why wouldn't you?
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