Submitted by lucamila5 t3_11wrd49 in todayilearned
Yep, Trix definitely has a bone to pick with other incomplete dino skeletons.
The dinosaur Trix was named after the former Queen of the Netherlands, Beatrix.
I'm just happy to see that "the powers that be" didn't manage to completely fuck the landowner out of a payday, despite what appears to have been a lengthy and genuine effort at doing exactly that. The fuck's wrong with people...
Did we read the same thing? The other party in the suit were the former landowners who still had the mineral rights. Not a company and not the state trying to claim ownership.
Just kind of seems like a normal court case. Complicated and nuanced the more you look into it.
That's why I used the quotation marks. I just couldn't find a better term for it and was too lazy to figure it out. I just meant that anyone with a sliver of power to make a claim suddenly crawling out of the woodworks to do some Avatar levels of Lawbending. Vultures would perhaps have been a better term for it.
You're telling me you wouldn't? If you had the rights to what was in the ground, and what they dug up out of the ground was worth millions of dollars. You would just walk away?
Apparently no adults (or rabbits) are allowed to view the display.
Wait! I thought "Sue" in Chicago was the most complete....or is she the biggest?
I would explore what is intended to fall under the mineral rights, yes. If I discovered I had a legitimate claim then yes, I would go to court. What I wouldn't do is go to court several times over 5 years after being shut down arguing over semantics to try squeeze myself in there.
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Did she have really short arms?
She was, until this one was found.
Nice to hear a farmer finally got paid well.
In fairness they had a pretty solid claim. Surprised they weren’t at least awarded something.
Biggest, but formerly most complete
Of a trex anyway
It’s a shame her name wasn’t Beat-rex
Sue is the most complete.
If there was no established criteria for what is considered a mineral under the mineral rights other than a loose definition of the word then I guess that's not the fault of the claimant. Perhaps I judged them too harshly.
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> Sue[a] is the nickname given to FMNH PR 2081, which is one of the largest,[b] most extensive, and best preserved Tyrannosaurus rex specimens ever found, at over 90 percent recovered by bulk.
> This Tyrannosaurus [Trix], over thirty years old – the oldest known Tyrannosaurus specimen – lived about 67 million years ago. It is considered to be the third most complete Tyrannosaurus found, with between 75% to 80% of its bone volume recovered.
So Sue is still the Most complete. Though it seems Trix is older.
She’s still alive.
The title say “on of the most complete” Sue is the most complete and also the largest T-Rex.
I mean, fossils are just minerals in the shape of ancient bones. Unless they had rights to specific minerals/metals, it would only seem fair that they have a claim to part, if not all, of it IMO. Still, this was an awesome find regardless.
Does she have really short arms?
I’ve never met her, but it doesn’t look like it.
US farmer, not the dutch ones protesting
do you require medical attention
So 1 John Deere tractor ?
Sorry about your stroke
She might have had some kind of arm lengthening surgery at some point to be fair
God bless that farmer.Made more money off something buried on the property than he would’ve made in a lifetime.
Can I just publicly state here that wikipedia's new look is shit. That's all I want to say. It's awful. Please use my screen real estate, I have muhc
So you're saying if you thought you had a good case, so good that you thought it was worth going to court, and then you lost then you would forgo your right to appeal?
A line should be drawn somewhere, or not at all. Seems senseless to have it open to interpretation. Should it just be anything containing a mineral regardless of the origin then? We can argue that a lot of things are minerals that we wouldn't normally consider minerals, gravel, ice, snail shells or whatever you want really.
Perhaps it would be better if it was just mining rights that apply to anything of significant value that is unearthed from the ground. That's what people are out after anyway.
> A line should be drawn somewhere, or not at all.
Hard to disagree; I think these are the only options.
There's also a third option where you try to adhere to a definition but lack a consensus and then end up in a 5 year dispute trying to establish whether a fossil is a mineral or not.
I don't know what I would do anymore. The more I read about mineral rights and what is and isn't a mineral both technically and basically the muddier it gets. At this point I'm not sure if I even understand what a mineral is anymore or if everything is just arbitrarily a mineral depending on how cold it is outside that day.
I don't think I would have fortitude to even bother to be honest.
Especially not Liam Neeson.
Mineral rights are dumb. Just another dumb rule for calvinball we've invented to make everyone's lives more difficult.
"As it was late in the season, it was decided to postpone the excavation (of the t-tex) until the next Spring. In April and May 2013, the site was thoroughly excavated, but apart from some foot bones, a skeleton proved to be absent. However, five Triceratops skeletons were present elsewhere on the farm land and procured by the museum for exhibition".
This farmer was living on top of fucking 6 dinosaurs all this time, this is a fucking amazing discovery!
According to that article 60% of all t-rex specimens were found in Montana. Wonder why
Because that's where they lived pre-extinction
>This Tyrannosaurus, over thirty years old – the oldest known Tyrannosaurus specimen
Yeah I guess that is technically true .. it's well over 30
You don't say
5 mill? That's it, I'm gettin' me shovel.
Shorter that the trex ones for sure.
Has anyone put the back legs and hips together differently so that it stood and moved like a kangaroo?
Imagine a hopping T-Rex going like 35mph.
“I hate having two heads”
I really don’t care that much. 🤣
Rex: “Yo queen, what do you want to do with me again?”
BROUGHT TO YOU BY MONTANA RECREATIONS
Apparently the farmer had to battle it out in court to keep the $5M and then died in a 4-wheeler accident a few months after it was settled. Sounds like there could be more to this story. Or just terrible luck
Queen of the DJ's
Does she let kids view the skeleton? Because, I hear "Trix are for kids".
i heard a t-rex had something to do with it
You could buy a full T-rex for only $5M? I thought Nicholas Cage bought the skull of one for more than that. I'm surprised there aren't more rich celebrities with dinosaur skeletons.
That sounds like a reach, therefore it was not a T-rex.
Imo the state should be able to seize things of significant historical value and only pay out for the loss of projected income over losing access to the land during the dig, as well as any restorative costs.
Visited it a couple weeks ago, incredibly impressive to see. You can see a little hole close to its nose, of which a description mentioned it was caused by a bone inflammation. Crazy to see that’s still visible after 65 million years.
Well he deserved it, unlike the Dutch ones.
Fossils are objectively minerals though. This wasn't an unreasonable lawsuit at all.
Now when the local Native American tribes kick out the white oppressors and reclaim rule of Montana for themselves, I suppose they'll claim this sale wasn't valid and demand the dinosaur back from the Dutch museum.
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I mean 4 wheelers are death machines. Someone got some money, bought a fancy new toy, and did not take proper safety precautions. Also being so far from the city increases your mortality chances. 4 wheelers go fast but that does not mean you should go fast on one or turn too sharply.
He died a couple months after the settlement in a four wheeler accident
They are, but they have also once been a living creature and are still retaining the structure of the living form. It's not what is ordinarily considered a mineral in this context and they are not valued according to their mineral contents or being sold for their mineral contents which is what the mineral rights are meant to protect.
I have since that comment changed my opinion that they were wrong in pursuing this as relentlessly as they did. So I agree that it wasn't unreasonable. It's just not as straight forward as considering it just a mineral. It's a unique grey area.
Was Sue from the same general region as Trix?
This is reddit
Never safe to assume sarcasm when innocent ignorance is a possibility
I saw Samson at the auction in Las Vegas in 2009. His final bid was $3.6 million, and he's the 3rd most complete.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/03/samson-fossil-unsold-vegas-auction-sets-records/
bolanrox t1_jczefqx wrote
neat!