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somekennyguy t1_jbfvdng wrote

I will never be a vegan, but holy bananas...

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thegnome54 t1_jbg2ckn wrote

You don't need to go 'fully vegan' to eat a bit less meat. I've found that reducing my consumption makes having it feel a little more special.

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GetsGold t1_jbg5tz0 wrote

It's not like their lives are better elsewhere just because there are smaller buildings. In Canada, for example, the majority of breeding sows spend most of their lives in crates too small to turn around in. This isn't unique to Canada either.

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lawyermorty317 t1_jbgc0y9 wrote

Yeah, veganism is a moral baseline IMO. Nobody should be contributing to a system that causes this much suffering. It’s unfortunate, but animal agriculture is inherently animal abuse. If I wouldn’t want my dog to go through something, I don’t believe any animal should go through it.

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Jakisokio t1_jbgtbyq wrote

The thing that pisses me off is that you CAN sustainably and morally farm meat, but these companies don't do it because its not as profitable

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cogscidude t1_jbhzwwa wrote

Without industrial scale factory farming, meat would be an expensive luxury product. But maybe that's how it should be.

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MyAccountWasBanned7 t1_jbgjjc0 wrote

Once they get lab grown meat to have the same flavor and texture of normal meat, and the price is about the same, I'll go vegan no problem.

But none of the current vegan options have the same flavor or texture currently, and a lot of them cost more than meat does so yeah, I'm not switching any time soon.

Downvotes? Seriously? You vegans can't even acknowledge that your meat substitutes don't taste and feel like meat? This is why people shit on veganism.

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usernames-are-tricky t1_jbgmc1c wrote

Keep in mind that plant-based meats are not the same thing as vegan options, but even for those the prices are coming down. There's a lot of plant-based foods that are plenty cheaper such as beans, lentils, etc.

It's also worth mentioning that the reason meat is so cheap is because of large amounts of subsidies. Without those, plant-based meats would already be substantially cheaper

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MyAccountWasBanned7 t1_jbgqhvs wrote

I can't disagree with any of that. However, like I said, there's other issues than price. I've tried a lot of the meat substitutes (because honestly, I'd love to see less animals killed) and none of them get the flavor AND texture down. Some come close to one or the other, but none hit the mark on both.

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somekennyguy t1_jbgjy22 wrote

Same. The texture and taste of meat is just.. everything. I'm all for a balanced diet with fruits, veggies, carbs, but a steak or some good pork bbq.. life.

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