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daseined001 t1_jd1fpji wrote

Nitpick: genetically modified is not the same as selective breeding. GMO is a recent thing that, barring ancient aliens, the inca did not do. What they did is selective breeding for beneficial traits.

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babybambam t1_jd1nnnj wrote

Nitpick: Selective breeding is a form of genetic modification.

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beastroll87 t1_jd2ug9j wrote

Selective breeding would not be considered GM, hence it does not say on every food you buy - only those that are actually GM i.e. artificial insertion or deletion of DNA

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Joseluki t1_jd34ica wrote

You are wrong. Source, I am fucking biotechnologist.

Just have a look at introgression.

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beastroll87 t1_jd36z81 wrote

I'm a Biotechnologist too. Answer me this: how does normal food like for example wheat which has obviously been selectively bred is not labelled as GM, but other products that have been GM are labelled as such. Use common sense. Here is a site for you to understand cos clearly you need to go back to college: https://www.expii.com/t/gmo-genetically-modified-organisms-meaning-examples-10241

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Joseluki t1_jd3807g wrote

Because policy is made by politicians, not scientists.

Selective breeding is a means of genetical modification, it is genetic engineering.

Your aim is to obtain a progeny with certain genotype so you are directing their breeding towards it.

That is why the term GMO exits, to make a disctinction between organisms that have been obtained by selective breeding and hydridzation vs organisms that have been obtained by genomic techniques.

You could crossbreed to obtain genetically modified dwarf strains of cereals that would not bend by the weight of their seeds.

You could push a microorganisms to certain environments during multiple generations to obtain a more resistant to toxic subproduct or an antibiotic without ever having to use genomic technique. And that is considered metabolic engineering. You could obtain the same result using genomic techniques too and that would be a GMO organism.

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KypDurron t1_jd3n2jq wrote

> Answer me this: how does normal food like for example wheat which has obviously been selectively bred is not labelled as GM, but other products that have been GM are labelled as such.

You're seriously arguing that a scientific concept should be defined based on how politicians and bureaucrats use the term?

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babybambam t1_jd2v5ia wrote

You’re referring to genetic engineering…which is also a form of genetic modification.

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beastroll87 t1_jd2vagd wrote

No, GM. Look at the food you buy and see if it says GE or GM on it.

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KypDurron t1_jd3mqco wrote

Look at the food you buy and see if it says "the labeling on this food should be used as an authority as to the definition of a scientific term"

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nopantsirl t1_jd23r9i wrote

Not in common parlance, no. If you ask anyone in a grocery store if some organic sweetcorn is genetically modified, they will assure you it is not.

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