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ThatOtkauWolf_90 t1_ixusvf8 wrote

Reply to comment by SueSudio in TIL, that by 1860, there were nearly 4 million people enslaved in the United States. by MookieV

No they really aren't.

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SueSudio t1_ixuvpxa wrote

Are you aware that the founding fathers were aware that slavery was morally wrong and acknowledged that they personally benefited from it, which made it difficult to undo?

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SueSudio t1_ixuu34b wrote

Maybe you need different social circles. It's pretty common knowledge. It's even in central stories of the bible.

I'm still curious what perspective you were hoping to impart on people, comparing middle ages Scandinavia to the USA 150 years ago.

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monkeypox_69 t1_ixv5tft wrote

It should be common knowledge but people wanna pretend america not only started slavery but was the only source which is nonsense.

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SueSudio t1_ixvj0ex wrote

Didn't start it, just fought a brutal war to keep it long after it was acknowledged how morally wrong it was.

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monkeypox_69 t1_ixvounj wrote

Yes, some people fought for that but people wanna act like it's everyone's fault. Forever guilty, never any progress because the past is unchangeable.

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SueSudio t1_ixvrhns wrote

Not forever guilty. But make amends.

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monkeypox_69 t1_ixvynh0 wrote

The problem with "amends" is it will never be enough.

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SueSudio t1_ixvzxv0 wrote

That's a good excuse when you aren't the one that was oppressed.

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monkeypox_69 t1_ixw0ipa wrote

Neither were you. Stop playing games.

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SueSudio t1_ixw60cs wrote

There's the root. You pretend there is no issue. People in my lifetime were denied home ownership opportunities to build wealth. The government had programs that gave developers incentives as long as they didn't sell homes to black people.

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monkeypox_69 t1_ixw77gp wrote

Well in the past it was black folks, now we're all getting screwed. This country ain't perfect, if you don't like it here you are free to leave. Let's see you go to a country without it's share of past and present social and racial problems.

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SueSudio t1_ixwk3en wrote

"If you don't like it leave." More often than not that's how these conversations end. So predictable and weak.

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monkeypox_69 t1_ixx04ev wrote

So don't leave, stop bitching.

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SueSudio t1_ixx5mvv wrote

You may not have noticed due to your seething anger, but I am not bitching, you are. I am stating that I believe measures need to be taken to even the scales due to lingering effects of systemic racism.

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