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FrazzleMind t1_j28k0s6 wrote

Reply to comment by supmandude in TIL Martin Luther King was born Michael King Jr. However, his father, a pastor at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, traveled to Germany and became inspired by the Protestant Reformation leader Martin Luther. As a result, King Sr. changed his own name as well as that of his five year old son. by 54_actual

Don't worry, in a few hundred years if you are remembered whatsoever, it will be about what a monster you were for some belief you hold now that they don't then.

Never respect any historical figure, since they were all morally grey at best which is not acceptable for a human to be.

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supmandude t1_j29cia7 wrote

There were non-antisemites that lived in Martin Luther’s time. You are not excused from evil just because you live in the past.

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FrazzleMind t1_j2awvyy wrote

Well whatever it is that people are right about that you aren't today, be prepared for anything good about your life to be wiped away with whatever moral failing you and everyone around you don't understand.

You might cure cancer, but you also ate meat and had a pet dog and didn't even buy a hybrid right away, so you're fairly evil over all.

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supmandude t1_j2axdit wrote

Good. You think I’d give a shit when I’m dead? If human morality has improved to the point that the life I’ve lived is looked at as monstrous, that’d be great! Luckily for me, I’ve never written diatribes defending the evils that still exist in our society as morally good, so the odds of me being singled out are slim, unlike Mr. “I Want To Do The Holocaust” Man.

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FrazzleMind t1_j2az9zd wrote

>Luckily for me, I’ve never written diatribes defending the evils that still exist in our society as morally good, so the odds of me being singled out are slim, unlike Mr. “I Want To Do The Holocaust” Man.

So it's ok to be a piece of shit as long as you are quiet and small scale enough to not be remembered in particular. So that people won't know you to judge you only by the parts you were wrong about.

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supmandude t1_j2azxkr wrote

Why are you so amped to defend someone that inspired the Holocaust? I never did that and I think you know that. The problem is that he inspired evil that lasted far beyond his lifetime. That’s what makes him a particularly evil piece of shit.

But I don’t even care, if you find an example of someone that was great in other areas, but that there’s some evidence that they hated the Jews, by all means, judge the shit out of them. I will. I hold people from all time periods to the same moral standards. I hope people do the same for me after I die. I could not welcome it any more than I do.

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FrazzleMind t1_j2b5u4x wrote

Because you are completely blowing off every good thing he did or was responsible for. He wrote hateful shit that other later hateful people liked, and THOSE PEOPLE did bad shit with a whole lot of imagination and effort on their part.

He also was a major figure who struck a blow against a repressive and corrupt religious/political institution and the movement he inspired led to many of the ideas that form the foundation of liberalism (you know, individual people having rights because they are people?) which is the foundation of the moral philosophy you are adhering to and using to demonize him?

It's absolutely absurd what you expect of people.

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