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c_l_who OP t1_j20vzca wrote

Reply to comment by thisoneisnotasbad in Balancing trespassers with being neighborly by c_l_who

Oh, totally agree. I was using "trespassers" interchangeably with "entitled douche canoes".

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_j20xvr2 wrote

Yeah, there are a lot of those. I’m not sure why people lack basic decency anymore. Someone else got downvoted to oblivion for saying it, but part of it is the new Vermonters. Lots moved here after visiting and recreating on open land and don’t realize that there is a lot of good will and relationship building that go into our open land doctrine.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j210owq wrote

But I live here now....why don't you accept me as if I was your old neighbor!?

I don't think people realize it's years or decades of trust being built between people that allowed that to occur.

Someone hunted this year on some land I have. They asked permission even though I have known them since I was a kid. The common courtesy thing to do. When year was over, they gave me a gift card for groceries.

Nothing crazy expensive and wouldn't be enough to fill a basket of groceries, but it wasn't expected or implied. More of a, "you fucker, you didn't have to do that." They also did the gift card trick because if it was money, it's easier to deny money even though it's exactly the same.

People expect all the benefits of a lifelong neighbor on move-in without building the relationship.

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c_l_who OP t1_j21aypk wrote

Exactly. The hunters have been hunting our land for decades and still ask for permission every year (sometimes they even share some meat with us! That is amazing!). The recreation people have never asked.

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sugarplummed t1_j21mjud wrote

I hate to be that person, but because we are planning to move to Vermont, we would never dream of doing this, this isn't necessarily an outsider thing so much as just rude, inconsiderate people, entitled and all that being mentioned already.

If I've learned one thing from this pandemic it's that people are just dumb and entitled and don't give a shit about anyone but themselves, and it's just pervasive and everywhere. It was so disappointing to me. But hubby and I both grew up in rural area with acreage so we probably learned early what was okay and not okay and respect people's property.

Anyway, don't downvote cause I totally empathize and support OP.

These tresspassers are asshats and you shouldn't have to deal with this.

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beaveristired t1_j22roff wrote

Agree. Selfish people everywhere. I’ll also add that having grown up in a state with lots of private property and no trespassing signs, I would never just go on someone’s property without permission. Living in a more populated state with smaller lots and visible neighbors makes you assume all land is private even if it’s unposted. If I did use unposted land, I definitely wouldn’t leave trash or use an atv. Those are common problems in many states, I certainly don’t want to see it in VT. I’m also aware enough to realize I don’t have experience with this type of land use, so I would err on the side of caution until I understood the expectations.

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