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Goojus t1_iufpuv4 wrote

Reply to comment by bigoptionwhale777 in Brazil Election Live Updates: Bolsonaro vs. Lula by Such-Combination5046

I’m pretty sure venezuela and cuba have US embargos and sanctions making it shit. Also cia led coups in venezuela didn’t help the situation

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olek2507 t1_iufsqsn wrote

The US embargo's don't apply to medicine and food. Check out apex traveller going to Venezuela, you'll get a first hand look at how depressing that country is in.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugdr82 wrote

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olek2507 t1_iugku9n wrote

Correction not apex traveler, it is indigo traveler.

https://youtu.be/oi5oF7ha_Wk

It's funny how people who don't live in Venezuela, don't know anyone from Venezuela, blame the country's problem on the US. But everytime someone who lives in or has lived in Venezuela says that the US is not the reason why Venezuela is doing so poorly. People who sit on their phones and computers all day live in a bubble and don't want to admit the realities of the world.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugmbf4 wrote

That’s not true! How do I know your story is legit? Also, I know Venezuelan people. There is no secret they come for a better life, but the sanctions have killed them. The problem is not whether they are capitalist or communist, the problem is the corruption of government officials. One can argue that you see that in capitalist and socialist economy.

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olek2507 t1_iugmxf9 wrote

And do you see a pattern with socialistic governments? The result is always the same. Cuba, North korea, China, USSR, poland, Ukraine, Slovakia, Venezuela, Republic of Congo, Czech Republic, Vietnam, etc. Communism is just a theory like utopia, put it in power and governments always act the same, because with absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

It's not my story, it's the people of Venezuela's story.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugn7ob wrote

I believe in the free market, but I also believe in social welfare programs as well. Funny how you name those countries, but not Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, and etc.

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olek2507 t1_iugnwqi wrote

I put etc, which you failed to notice. I bet you think those Scandinavian countries are democratic socialist as well, repeating what Bernie touts.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugopi6 wrote

Do you know what Democratic socialism is? Are all professions paid the same? Does government make business decisions?

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olek2507 t1_iugoxwo wrote

Do you understand the difference between a market economy and democratic socialist economy?

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugpg8d wrote

Yes I know. SD = achieving social welfare programs through taxes and other things government can decide on while ME- is through more like entrepreneurship, basically free market

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olek2507 t1_iugpkt4 wrote

And we all know when you have a free market, you give citizens more options without government red tape, free to create their own destiny and better opportunities to thrive. Depend too much on the government and opportunities dissipate.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugoliu wrote

I’m not sure to be honest, but I’m saying if we all pay taxes, why can’t that go to the citizens? What’s wrong with providing healthcare to lower income folks? We all pay taxes the money should be spend on citizens

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olek2507 t1_iugopw8 wrote

The issue is you can't trust the government with that amount of money, most of it goes to their sponsors pockets and whatever is left goes to the people.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugoztt wrote

I agree, that what pisses me off, but if we hold them accountable. Let me ask you this do you support in those services assuming the element of theft and corruption is eliminated?

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olek2507 t1_iugpbrr wrote

I'm having trouble understanding the wording of your statement. Especially the last part. Can you elaborate? Lack of accountability and weak leadership is 2 biggest problems in governments all over the world. If politicians knew there were consequences for their actions, we would be living in a different world.

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olek2507 t1_iugorpg wrote

Scandinavian countries are market economies, not democratic socialist.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugp3wi wrote

Which I believe that’s the right thing.

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olek2507 t1_iugpfxc wrote

Ok so enough of spreading of this democratic socialist bs, it's not true and the dutch minister of finance has explicitly stated they are a market economy, not a democratic socialist one.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugnchm wrote

Love how silly you are down arrowing me. Yet you cocksuckers claim you guys want free speech.

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olek2507 t1_iugo0ay wrote

You're also free to down vote me as well. Would that mean you don't believe in free speech as well if you down voted me? Lol

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugornf wrote

I only did it when I saw you did.

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olek2507 t1_iugp1rl wrote

So you're incapable of independent thought, just follow others around, even those you don't agree with. Gotcha, sheep. You played yourself.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugpk8z wrote

I just did it cause you did. You’re whole family is sheep. Don’t call me that little Goof

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olek2507 t1_iugpppc wrote

Goof lol nice one, finally, some original thought.

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olek2507 t1_iugpnq2 wrote

You ought to do things you believe in, not because someone else did. That shows independent thought, which you are incapable of doing at times like this.

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olek2507 t1_iugnqfv wrote

What does down voting you have to to do with free speech? It doesn't censor you like the Venezuelan government does and you ar3 spreading misinformation blaming the corruption of the government on us sanctions when they don't block food or medicines. This is common facts and easily found out with a simple search, yet you still peddle it. If you truly knew Venezuelans, you would know they all know their economic woes have nothing to do with the usa.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugo466 wrote

Obviously you’re out of it, I’m not saying their government are saint. They are in power and will do anything to stay in power. But you forget to mention the US sanctions, so that has nothing to do it? Give me break

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olek2507 t1_iugohms wrote

I just mentioned twice that the embargo's don't apply to food and medicine. What i didnt state before, commie, is that the sanctions are towards the corrupt government officials not the people.

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OpeningTruck2212 t1_iugou9n wrote

But it’s not an embargo, it’s sancations. Two different things

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olek2507 t1_iugp59a wrote

Sanctions don't apply to food and medicine, look it up. Public electricity and water is stolen by the government to sell to highest bidder. This is what people living in Venezuela, consistently state.

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