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14u2c t1_jb1u7qq wrote

Reply to comment by 9throwaway2 in Cleveland park needs a coffee shop by katrusiaa

> I don't feel safe crossing CT ave to get a coffee.

I agree that large roads are detrimental to urban communities, but that is simply absurd. There are crosswalks with stop lights every block.

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snackerel t1_jb1zwxb wrote

I agree this is a little hyperbolic, but not by much. I walk a lot in this neighborhood and I don’t cross Connecticut when I don’t have to because I’ve had a lot of close calls in those intersections, particularly with people blowing red lights. Feels dangerous both as a pedestrian and as a driver.

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ActuaryPersonal2378 t1_jb2a2cw wrote

There's been so many people blowing red lights lately. I know it's technically Woodley Park, but I personally consider the Zoo to be in CP (not that my say matters lol) - that big accident a few weeks ago, as bad as it was, shed some light on just how bad and dangerous that part of CT is.

Ever since I got rid of my car though, it has really opened my eyes to how insane driving in DC is. I don't even like being in ubers anymore

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acdha t1_jb1yei7 wrote

Yeah, but think about how long the cycle is and how you’ll be dodging people turning right or running the light. You can certainly do it but the extra hassle adds more weight than it might seem.

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14u2c t1_jb229ll wrote

I agree, is very annoying and one of the reasons why these type of roads are bad for communities. But the idea that the area is too dangerous to support a coffee shop is inaccurate and unproductive.

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acdha t1_jb2gkjk wrote

I’d bet if you did a study you’d find more than a few residents avoid crossing such busy roads. That could be significant for a business which isn’t hugely profitable.

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OneFootTitan t1_jb4v6a7 wrote

The perception of danger and just the general unpleasantness of crossing the road is probably enough to reduce viability

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Surefinewhatever1111 t1_jb2grna wrote

You're a cyclist, pedestrians have to jump out of your way all day long. You can simply slow down and stop.

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acdha t1_jb2lrzo wrote

Pedestrians don’t have to jump out of my way because I avoid pedestrian areas and slow down when I can’t. If you’re not just trolling, try counting how many times pedestrians have to change what they’re doing to go around or avoid being hit by cyclists and by cars – the numbers aren’t even close, as you could guess from looking at the collision stats. The cause is obvious: cars need 10-20 times as much space per person so despite having so much space reserved for them it’s never enough; the same number of people on bus, bike, or foot will have a much easier fit.

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Surefinewhatever1111 t1_jb2v1uv wrote

SWTG you guys gaslighting pedestrians never ends. Pedestrians shouldn't have to worry about both y'all and MD drivers; life is hard enough.

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9throwaway2 t1_jb2cc9y wrote

the number of red light runners in the last couple years has been off the charts.

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