Wildercard t1_ja8cxe4 wrote
I am going to ask this in full sincerity.
At what point does "Stop speeding up global warming, you are fucking it up for everyone!" become a valid reason for war?
drogoran t1_ja8v1hl wrote
when a nation does it intentionally and not as a side effect of industrialization
we want to reduce pollution the fastest?
innovate, build and help these nations skip the polluting fuels
no one is gonna volunteer to keep living in mudhuts because upgrading to a modern infrastructure is polluting the air
grchelp2018 t1_ja8sow8 wrote
War ain't going to help the global warming problem. And certainly its not going to happen against a nuclear armed nation.
Wildercard t1_ja8tlq8 wrote
Imagine China doubles their coal usage every fifth year. Seas are rising. Hurricanes are a monthly event. Snow caps, what snow caps? Natural disasters threaten the stability of global shipping, coastal cities can't keep up rising the sea walls, widespread droughts are seen as normal, and there is one player contributing more to this than next ten countries combined.
What year is it acceptable to do more than write a strongly worded letter about knocking off the assault on human's race survival?
grchelp2018 t1_ja8vn3e wrote
If things have already gone so bad, war isn't happening anyway. Everyone will be too busy dealing with their own problems.
The only realistic way out of this is rich western countries subsidizing the poorer ones to switch to cleaner sources.
CluelessTurtle99 t1_ja9exgc wrote
Never. Why ? Just compare the per capita emissions of the US to china. Guess which one is more than double the other
acebandaged t1_ja9lftd wrote
I mean, with that approach there are 15 other countries with higher per cap emissions. This shouldn't be a whatabout issue, this should be a "yes, what china's doing sucks and should stop" issue.
US emissions are also a problem, yes. Now, back to China, which is the topic at hand.
akkelerate t1_ja9xtfq wrote
Well that’s easy. Divide China into 50 countries. Now none of them are anywhere near as polluting. Problem solved.
acebandaged t1_jaaj5t5 wrote
I know everyone says lots of smaller countries are much worse than one big one, but there's definitely a population between 1.5bn and 1 that's more stable than 1.5bn...the point where the power those small nations hold is too small for their inherent instability to matter.
Montenegro isn't going around picking on other nations, while China is happily spying and murdering and threatening and generally having an overall negative impact on the world.
ELVEVERX t1_jaanukj wrote
>while China is happily spying and murdering and threatening and generally having an overall negative impact on the world.
I mean they do less of that shit than the US.
Bakanyanter t1_jaafprv wrote
Never. There are very little excuses for war.
Not to mention China is the leader in green technology as well.
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