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SCZ- t1_ja3onjb wrote

Reply to comment by Homely_Corsican in Two Israelis murdered in Palestinian terror shooting in West Bank by yoyo456

So why didn't Gaza turn into a Middle Eastern Singapore but to a hellhole ruled by murderous terrorist group (which the Gazans elected themselves) even though Israel has lifted it's military occupation and forcefully uprooted every single Jew that lived in the Gaza Strip?

This is not about land, it's about ideology. The Palestinians even consider Tel Aviv a settlement, you simply cannot negotiate when the other side doesn't want anything less than a complete destruction of the other side.

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Homely_Corsican t1_ja3q4ta wrote

I put some blame on the British for allowing two divergent societies to form in 1920s and 1930s. Some of the blame also rests on the UN for not allowing for a more peaceful partition. The Palestinians use of terror has not helped, nor have illegal occupations, blockades, or the creation of illegal settlements (all of which incredibly exacerbate the problem and delegitimize Israel on the world’s stage). Let’s not forget Israeli extremism. When you have a PM who says that Palestinians as a people don’t exist, how you move forward from that? How can you negotiate with someone perpetually victimizing you and denying your very existence?

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SCZ- t1_ja3ub3x wrote

Yes the British Empire (along with France) has done unspeakable damage to the middle east; damage that is felt to this very day. However blaming the Brits for doing stuff 80 years ago isn't going to help anymore. Also twisting the historical facts that led to this conflict (like you just did) doesn't help either. How the UN would've partitioned the land is irrelevant because at that time the Arabs in Mandatory Palestine and in bordering countries did not condone the idea of a Jewish state in any boundary whatsoever. Moreover, the Arab states did not attack Israel to "free Palestine" (meaning to establish a Palestinian state) but to take the land for themselves. Further proof for that is that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were Jordanian and Egyptian territories respectively until 1967 yet they did not establish a Palestinian state. Not only that, but the PLO (the Palestinian Liberation Organization) was established in 1964 when there was no Israeli occupation in the West Bank nor Gaza whatsoever (you can try and guess what they actually wanted to "liberate").

You also failed to mention that many Israeli Prime Ministers (both left wings and right wings) have tried to negotiate with the Palestinian but failed. The worse of then all was the Oslo Accords and then later the Camp David talks that eventually collapsed due to an intentional and planned uprising (the second intifada) by the Palestinian leadership.

But even after that, Israel gave the entire Gaza Strip to the Palestinians, Jew free as they wanted, with no conditions as a solid step toward peace and that also blew up in Israel's face.

There's a good reason why over the years Israelis have been leaning more and more toward the right political spectrum, whether it be the Palestinian leadership unwillingness to compromise even a bit for peace or the endless terror attacks against innocent civilians by suicide bombers or rocket barrages.

To this day the Palestinians haven't returned to the negotiating table. They deliberately incites its population against Jews, glorifies terror attacks against Israelis and even pays salaries to convicted terrorists (pay for slay).

So saying that "yeah both sides are bad" is giving the Palestinians way too much credit that they actually deserve.

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Homely_Corsican t1_ja3w112 wrote

What fact did I twist? The UN could’ve done a lot more to ease the transition. Instead it paid for Europe’s crimes with Palestinian land, and also gave Israel the most resourceful land in the area, while Palestinians had no say whatsoever. Arabs were upset because they viewed the partition as more European imperialism is the region, which you acknowledge yourself. I agree that Palestine has been a political football of sorts both regionally and internationally.

In terms of negotiations, see my previous post. Also, the Palestinians likely see themselves as in a non-negotiable position as a result of desperation, very much like the Zionist terrorists involved in bombing and assassinations post WW2.

Also, should I start listing examples of Israeli terror, which are numerous, or indefinite detentions?

You conveniently ignore the blockade and settlements, both illegal under international law.

Edit: added stuff.

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