ArticulateAquarium t1_j9xrsjn wrote
Reply to comment by VintageHacker in Ukraine protest: Russian tank parked outside embassy in Berlin by donutloop
You didn't read the article, it seems by your comment.
VintageHacker t1_j9xsrf4 wrote
Actually, I did. What makes you think I didn't ?
ArticulateAquarium t1_j9xt404 wrote
Because the article talks about how lots of Germans are against sending hardware, which makes absolutely no sense to me. I think I understand the reasoning - 20th century history - but still, seems a weird way to justify that stance.
jetelklee t1_j9y2236 wrote
Most people over here are in favour of sending hardware. Today though there is a big protest of "pacifists" who even joined hands with the far right to get their message across.
They are a minority though and simply refuse to understand that Putin cannot be repelled with "pacifism".
ArticulateAquarium t1_j9y38i8 wrote
The article doesn't say it's a minority, it says "the German population is split almost evenly on tank and arms deliveries".
What bothers me more is the 600,000 Germans signing the petition which is "demanding Berlin step up efforts for diplomatic negotiations. “Negotiating does not mean surrendering. Negotiating means making compromises on both sides.."
Elon Musk (is a dick) was saying this and got loads of stick for doing so, as are political members of the far right in the US (who have previously been criticised for being too friendly with Putin).
I don't think there is any reason for backing off one centimetre against Putin's invaders, to let them off in any way is saying it's not so bad invading ex-Soviet countries and committing war crimes against Ukrainians.
Bravo to all the Germans who are for repulsing those invaders in Europe, and Sláva Ukrayíni! Heróiam sláva!
jetelklee t1_j9z5blx wrote
I agree with you 100%. To my knowledge, there hasn't been any comprehensive polling in regard to the German populace's view on the delivery of Leo tanks etc. as of yet.
People are scared of the escalation any major deliveries of arms may cause. They are scared of a full on NATO-Russian war, which is understandable. They criticise NATO's eastward expansion as well as the USA's imperialist/militarist stance now and in the past. They shout "peace" but ignore Russia's utter disregard toward Ukraine's right to even exist. They are apologists and choose to ignore that Russia basically wants to eradicate Ukraine as a culture / sovereign nation.
To many, the situation is a dilemma, which is why they draw historical comparisons to US American illegitimate wars of the past.
VintageHacker t1_ja12l30 wrote
The main point of the article, is they installed a dead russian tank outside the russian embassy. My response to that was. Well done Germany!
The secondary part of the article talked about the difficulty of getting various parties to agree to that and commentary as to why and they pointed towards hesitancy or opposition to supplying certain weapons. My response to that was - we must stand strong or it will get worse. This was to counter the idiots that think holding hands and sucking russias dick will work for the long term.
ArticulateAquarium t1_ja1t4mq wrote
I thought "Well done [the whole of] Germany" was a bit generous, is all, plus the ones who are seemingly supportive of Putin really exasperate me - just as do the US GoP members who are saying similar.
The bombed out tank is a bit of genius imagery, though.
VintageHacker t1_ja6unbe wrote
Ah, I see now where you were coming from. Yes, the far left in Germany seem a bit too helpful towards russia for my liking.
ArticulateAquarium t1_ja7a024 wrote
It's the left in Germany?! How on earth do they and American far right crazies agree on anything? Must be the fascism.
VintageHacker t1_ja7ml0k wrote
Russia plays both sides. Their goal is to weaken. They started with the left and are so entrenched, most lefties have no idea how much of their ideology was originally sponsored by the Kremlin. The right wing infiltration seems to be a more recent phenomenon. Left and right have always been two wings of the same bird.
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