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silasgreenfront t1_jabnmzj wrote

Reply to comment by TheseLipsSinkShips in Australia uncovers Russian espionage ring, expels spies: Report by WhoIsJolyonWest

We definitely do. Enough have been caught over the years that there must be more. Probably a very desirable posting for intelligence personnel from those countries.

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Chii t1_jabs3rw wrote

If a kremlin plant views living in the US as desirable, it means they have some greed, vs pure ideology as their motivation. This would make that person more readily convertable to a double agent - after all, the amount of money and better life being offered by the US would be magnitudes greater. Esp. if the family can also move.

Of course, the kremlin knows this, therefore, it's highly likely that the kremlin plants that make it to the whitehouse are more likely to be ideologically driven than greed driven.

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bolxrex t1_jaby8zs wrote

Maria Butina loved living in the US.

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silasgreenfront t1_jacxmhp wrote

She seems to have done really well for herself. Very short stint behind bars in one of our less awful prisons and sailed right into a sweet political gig when she got sent back. One of my favorite tidbits from her story:

>On at least two separate occasions she got drunk and spoke openly about her contacts within the Russian government, even acknowledging that Russian intelligence services were involved with the gun rights group she ran in Moscow. Twice, classmates reported her actions to law enforcement because they found her comments so alarming, sources said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/02/politics/maria-butina-republican-circles/index.html

One of the things that makes the US posting attractive is that, if they get caught, they're likely looking at pretty human treatment. And, if they stay loyal, a decent situation when they return home.

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CodeEast t1_jac217q wrote

MICE - Money, Ideology, Coercion/Compromise, Ego.

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__Starfish__ t1_jae4wg5 wrote

RASCLS is another framework for agent recruitment as well.

>six influence factors, reciprocation, authority, scarcity, commitment (and consistency), liking, and social proof.

https://cyberwar.nl/d/fromCIA.gov/Burkett-MICE%20to%20RASCALS.pdf

Or search, "From MICE to RASCLS" in the google box.

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CodeEast t1_jaect3x wrote

Interesting. I wonder how hard they worked to add an extra A into that.

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Patsfan618 t1_jaco7au wrote

Moscow has a history of recalling anyone back, who they even slightly suspect of being compromised. If there's any evidence at all, that person would be interrogated and disposed of. So it was always a dangerous game, getting that recall notice. Do they think your cover has been blown and want to keep you out of prison, or are they going to stick you in a furnace while still alive? You don't know. If you don't follow the order, they'll have their answer and send someone for you.

At least, that's how it was in the 60's. That's as far back as declassification goes right now. That's how Oleg Penkovsky was disposed of, allegedly. Arrested and placed in a furnace, which was then turned on.

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Djaja t1_jadkfn8 wrote

Like with the Red Guardian!

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Choochooze t1_jacewwl wrote

What ideology would you expect a Russian agent to have?

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