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Slacker256 t1_jac8yiv wrote

I wonder what was EU's plan had Putin's invasion come as planned. In case say, Russian military being indeed competent enough, Ukraine putting little to no resistance and White House being occupied by Trump? Not entirely fictional scenario just few years ago. What was Europe's plan back then?

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cuddlefucker t1_jacbvxi wrote

I'm pretty sure the EU's plan was to lean on NATO and NATO's plan was always to hold out just long enough for the US to roll in with a half dozen carrier groups.

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jacczrh wrote

Right, this is why Putin, Xi, Qatar, and MBS' plans were for the Trump family to have the US out of NATO after selling our secrets. Kushner even get paid 2 billion dollars for only the little he did accomplish towards that goal.

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ChrisEpicKarma t1_jac9nr6 wrote

They had none.. Only mildly verbal reactions. The UE foreign affair is only (/mostly) commercial... And the business was bigger with Russia than Ukraine.

On external affairs, each country play on his own. For example France in Sahel had only token of help... Even when it was to liberate Timbuktu from salafists when Mali asked for help.

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Fit_Manufacturer4568 t1_jachsp2 wrote

Buy Russian gas and sell the new regime Mercs.

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Slacker256 t1_jack9w8 wrote

No, not that. My question was primarily referring to EU's capability to repel Russian invasion had Putin decided to make his 'rush to English Channel' pipe dream a reality. Given that it takes combined effort of entire EU on top of the biggest European land army to just hold Russia back - how did Europe plan to defend themselves?

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ThiHiHaHo t1_jacut3x wrote

The simple answer is: With their military.

Here the much more complex answer:

You can´t compare the reaction of the EU towards the war in Ukraine (a non-ally) with the reaction of the EU if they themselves would have been attacked. There are plans and procedures available that would come into effect in case of war that would cut a lot of the red tape that currently hinders the support of Ukraine. The military would take over, Europe would change into a war economy and start pushing against the invasion forces of Russia. The Baltics would be - most likely in a bad state as any NATO forces stationed there would keep an eye on not being cut off mainland Europe. But Poland alone would have been the first major block for Russian forces. More and more forces would join the battle while all over Europe people would get drafted into arms to join the party. With time all Russian forces would have been neutralized and pushed out of Europe proper.

Even when the US would have left NATO this would have happened. It would have caused more casualties and delayed the date of defeat of Russia but it would not change much until the moment we get to nuclear weapons. But this is a whole different story as conventional armies don´t add anything to those kind of equations.

Because I totally agree, Europe has abandoned its military forces but Russia threw their military out of the window and shot it after it crash landed.

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Fit_Manufacturer4568 t1_jad4g78 wrote

The EU doesn't have any military forces or command structure. The EU wouldn't be involved. It would be down to national governments through NATO.

In honesty, European nations have very credible air assets. With a lot of stand off missiles. The Russian forces would have been hit from the air. Especially their supply depots. Remember the Russian army is mainly supplied by rail. The gauge break on the former Soviet border cuts both ways. All the supply depots on the borders where everything is transferred from rail to road, getting repeatedly hit. They wouldn't get very far.

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