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Cobbertson t1_je3qwrd wrote

Reply to comment by Electrical-Can-7982 in Philippines' Marcos to shut out ICC after losing drugs war appeal by VanGoghEnjoyer

Right, because paying elite drug dealers to hunt and kill amateur drug dealers and children is completely functional

The government fearmongered and exaggerated the prevalence and dangers of drugs (including cannabis), sent the police and hitmen to kill mentally ill people and leave their corpses in the street, then patted themselves on the back and said "job well done"

You're really giving these serial killers the benefit of the doubt

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siegfred7 t1_je3tkia wrote

Im a local, WTF are you talking about? Paying elite? Even big government assholes that associated with drugs got slaughtered. Exaggerated? Are you a fucking moron? Before him you could barely go around at night or cary any valuables at all without getting jumped, during operation tukhang you could leave your house unlocked and no one would try shit, you could send your kids on trips on their own without worrying, now a kid goes to a nearby park gets raped or killed for absolutely no reason other than an asshole being high.

Fuck you foreigners who have no skin in the game, you don’t know what it’s like to live in fear in your own country.

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SuteSnute t1_je44omw wrote

You can do things about your crimes. Just maybe not things that involve (state sponsored) crimes against humanity and society instead. You can lick boots and play devil's advocate all you want. You're still a shit head who turns your gaze away from the damage done because it didn't personally effect you or your family. Sociopathic.

Also lmao at throwing a hissy fit because people who don't live there dare comment:

A) tons of countries have drug problems and related crime. (And tons of people "live in fear in their own country" for other reasons. But that's another discussion) Not just the Philippines. You're a complete imbecile if you think this problem is unique. Some countries come up with actually humane solutions (Portugal). Some come up with insane, disgustingly inhumane solutions (Philippines). Most fall somewhere in between. Your country is not immune to criticism. No country is. Get over it.

B) You're literally posting on a public website made for discourse. If you didn't want people to discuss it and comment on it, maybe you should have kept your shitty, crimes-against-humanity enabling views to yourself.

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siegfred7 t1_je4bn3v wrote

Don’t put words in my mouth, obviously im irked and is talking about outside groups actively interfering with our internal affairs, not with the criticisms. What would the cushy members of ICC know of our pains?

What made you think what Portugal did will work for us? These approaches worked for 1st world countries, not for everyone, specially ours since addiction has a lot of factors, culture, behaviors, economy, etc… factors that are incredibly hard to fix in 3rd world countries like ours and will be there for decades, are we supposed to wait? Have you lost a love one to a druggie? I did, more than once.

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SuteSnute t1_je79p59 wrote

So being a developing nation means it's ok to commit crimes against humanity? Good point dude. Can't argue that one. Have a good day.

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siegfred7 t1_je7ig57 wrote

What I said is, it’s naive to think that what worked for a single country would work for the world.

Can you specify which proven crimes against humanity exactly? With proof of course because you sound very sure.

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SuteSnute t1_je807kk wrote

Imagine running defense on this for a government that's throwing a hissy fit because the ICC (you know, the organization that literally investigates human rights comes) wants to investigate them. Lol. Lmao even.

It's always hilarious when intellectually stunted people try to argue on the assumption that everyone else is just as intellectually stunted as they are.

This dumb game you're playing is boring. Convince yourself everything is peachy and your precious government is beyond reproach. Governments would never do wrong or make mistakes right?

What a clown. Lol. We're done. Peace kid.

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siegfred7 t1_je82e89 wrote

What a clown, dodging and straw manning instead of fortifying arguments, you are indeed mentally stunted.

You’re right for once, we’re indeed done here.

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SprinklesDry4899 t1_je3w7df wrote

You're totally right. Other countries don't have crime.

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siegfred7 t1_je3y7j5 wrote

Yeah, because other countries have crimes, so we shouldn’t do anything about our chronic and pathological crimes right?

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SprinklesDry4899 t1_je5axjx wrote

You think every other country just lets crime happen? Get a passport bro. We just don't give cart blanche for summary execution (inb4 but what about US police). Huge difference, lmao. Anyway, I'm glad strong man make little man feel safe.

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siegfred7 t1_je5tsr4 wrote

That’s what I thought you fatherless mumbling stumbling moron.

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RazorBlade9x t1_je48gbi wrote

You're in r/worldnews, if Western media says something is bad then it is bad. Everything else is propaganda. Also a random redditor knows more about your country than you do because they read 3 articles on NYT or BBC. They also have an expert opinion on every country on Earth.

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RianOmega t1_je3s74e wrote

One can’t really say fearmongered because drugs had always been a major issue in the country even before the Duterte administration — just never really reported well on. Unless you’re in a sheltered upper class family, stories of drugs ruining youth lives or gang-related fighting or the occasional murmur about syndicates, are not uncommon in the Philippines.

As you pointed out, some drug dealers have acquired so much wealth and influence over their control that it would be practically impossible to remove the problem in this manner. The former president attempted a very straightforward solution that helped him deal with the problem in the city he was once mayor in, but national politics is obviously very different.

He failed to alleviate the drug problem that way and should definitely be investigated for allowing collateral damage (which is acceptably understandable given that governments should always minimize unlawfully killing its on citizens without due process), but his solution reflected the general perception of anarchy faced by the general public in the Philippines — especially in the less well-off cities in the provinces and even the slums of Manila. His mixture of charisma and his harsh yet (brutally) logical attempt to rid the problem is the reason why despite this, he remains incredibly popular in the country (and probably won another term if the constitution allowed it).

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