Living-Walrus-2215 t1_jdvtfzx wrote
Reply to comment by Dazzling-Ad4701 in Russian diplomat Vasily Nebenzya insists Ukrainian children will be returned once it is safe to do so by green_flash
my point is "A court saying they have jurisdiction over something doesn't give them jurisdiction over something", and "A sovereign nation is sovereign".
Dazzling-Ad4701 t1_jdw4c6z wrote
the last one lost me.
the first one: I guess you're right, in the sense that that's mostly what "rule of law" means. it means that a community of nations, in this instance, kind of have to agree these are the principles we will be governed/ will govern ourselves/each other by.
in this context a community of nations did agree, by signing the Rome treaty. Russia may not have signed, but they're able to read so they're well aware that the treaty exists and what its terms are.
So thats the jeopardy they took on by invading Ukraine and committing these actions there. Big shrug. Guess it hasn't been working out for them.
Living-Walrus-2215 t1_jdw5v9a wrote
>sovereignty
>noun
>Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a sovereign or sovereign state.
>Royal rank, authority, or power.
>Complete independence and self-government.
What this means is that Russia (and any other sovereign nation) has full power in relation to itself. The ICC has no more power or rights over it than some random farmer in Rwanda who never even heard of Russia.
The ICC (and any other court) has no jurisdiction over Russia (or any other country) other than whichever jurisdiction those countries allow it, to the extent they are allowing, and for as long as they are allowing.
It doesn't matter if Ukraine (or every single other person in the world that has ever existed or ever will exist) agrees that the ICC has jurisdiction because Russia does not, and when it comes to sovereign nations that is all it matters.
Dazzling-Ad4701 t1_jdwr8a9 wrote
yeah, that's what I figured you meant . it's actually you "conveniently ignoring" the factor of sovereignty since accepting it doesn't suit Russia's wants in this situation. and we all know what Russia is saying. "we're gonna do whatever we want, so fuck you."
well, they can try that and see how it flies. if you take this trajectory all the way to its hypothetical conclusion: someone arrests Putin's spindly little ass, along with whoever else; Russia declares war on the entire world because they're so special and precious etc; Armageddon.
in theory. in practice I don't think anyone can predict what will come of all this. Russia is acting like a shower of assholes, a significant part of the rest of the world is clearly determined to stand against it.
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