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No-Reach-9173 t1_jdu4uq7 wrote

Reply to comment by Nek0maniac in Banksy's migrant rescue ship seized by Italy's coast guard in Lampedusa by Crimbobimbobippitybo

They get smuggled into the country because there isn't legal means.

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Nek0maniac t1_jdu57ld wrote

Dunno about that chief. I'm an immigrant in Germany and I got here through legal means. It certainly isn't easy, but it is possible.

Also, according to your logic it would be fine for me to steal a car, because I have no legal means to get it otherwise

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No-Reach-9173 t1_jdubvqi wrote

A person would need approximately 9000+ euros to immigrate to Germany as I am sure you are aware. Roughly 6 billion people on earth will never have that much and many of the poorest would never earn that much in their lifetime. Thus they have no legal means to immigrate.

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Falk_csgo t1_jdue3po wrote

Then those people have nothing to do in germany anyways other than enjoying taxpayer money. Its not like life here is free and if you cant get that money you probably wont sustain you own life there.

What do you think germany would look like with 6 billion people that never have 9000€ in their life and 80 million tax payers?

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wangaroo123 t1_jduec4o wrote

Nope. A car is not necessary for your survival. Leaving their homes to cross a sea in a dingy is something people do as a last resort

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Nek0maniac t1_jduf6fy wrote

The car was just an example. Stealing food because I can't afford it or breaking into someones house because I can't get my own place isn't okay either.

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wangaroo123 t1_jdugc4y wrote

If you couldn’t get food by legal means you would rather starve to death than steal?

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Nek0maniac t1_jdumxpz wrote

I probably would, it wouldn't make it okay though. We need laws in a society to keep it civilised and everyone has to follow them, regardless of circumstance.

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green_flash t1_jduolt6 wrote

We have asylum laws that guarantee the right to apply for asylum as an inalienable human right to every person on German soil, regardless how they arrived in the country. Italy has such a law as well.

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wangaroo123 t1_jdwex0a wrote

So you’re saying you would steal but you still think the highest moral ground in this situation is someone just accepting they can’t get food at the moment and starving?

IMO someone stealing isn’t great but it’s way better than someone dying, especially if it’s from starvation, a problem we could solve pretty easily if we wanted.

The bigger issue here is that someone needs to steal to not die. We should be condemning the cause of these issues much harsher than the symptoms.

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KA-ME-HA-ME- t1_jdu8hhv wrote

By your logic slaves should never attempt to be free because it's theft. After all they legally belong to "Masa" don't they?

Oh I'm sorry I thought we were taking bad faith arguments to their illogical extreme

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