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[deleted] t1_jcvowa8 wrote

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samuelgato t1_jcvyxwo wrote

A government that can lock someone up for two years on phony charges with no evidence can probably do the same to you, and that should concern you

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Martholomeow t1_jcw7kto wrote

that’s not what happened here though. he admits to being a murderer.

why are so many people here defending murderers?

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dagbiker t1_jcw9l4q wrote

They aren't defending murderers, they are defending rights.

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Martholomeow t1_jcwsb6u wrote

defending the rights of murderers

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joojie t1_jcwv9qu wrote

People who are charged with murder have a trial in front of a judge and jury. The purpose of this judge and jury is to decide whether the right to live freely in society is taken away (and in some cases right to life at all, but that's a whole other can of worms) The judge and jury do not decide that this person now has no human rights at all and that they can be treated however this person or that person sees fit.

Once time is served, this human is now a part of society again. But you think we can just arbitrarily remove rights as you see fit? That's a slippery slope....

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Martholomeow t1_jcxylvo wrote

and the rest of us are welcome to our opinion that once someone becomes a murderer we don’t care about them or their rights.

i’m sure if someone killed someone you love then you wouldn’t be so quick to stand up for the rights of murderers.

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dagbiker t1_jcy1twn wrote

Actually my cousin was murdered in Montana. He was shot in the head, so your theory's invalid.

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Martholomeow t1_jcy20xo wrote

sorry to hear that. so you honestly care about the rights of the murderer of your cousin?

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samuelgato t1_jcwbqf4 wrote

Try reading the article? When he came back to the UK they locked him up for two years on trumped up charges of using a fake ID

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jujubean67 t1_jcxe2tq wrote

FTA

> He returned to the UK on his British passport in 2018. But on his return he was accused of using his own passport fraudulently and was jailed for two years. He was released in October 2020 after DNA tests with other British members of his family proved him to be a match with them.

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Martholomeow t1_jcxy5pj wrote

He’s still a murderer.

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jujubean67 t1_jcy08jl wrote

Nobody is arguing the opposite. For that murder he served his sentence, a separate sentence so he has paid his debt to society.

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Martholomeow t1_jcy241j wrote

ok good. and i don’t care about his rights now that he killed someone

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jujubean67 t1_jcy29bk wrote

You sound like a 14 year old lmao. We have laws for a reason.

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[deleted] t1_jcw7bql wrote

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crashspeeder t1_jcwsqwz wrote

Rights aren't only for good people, straight people, white people, neurotypical people, patriotic people, or people who don't protest. Rights are for everyone (thus the name, rights, not privileges). Rights have been denied to many groups, and will continue to be denied to anyone "different" unless we fight against it. The mentally disabled are often the worst off, because they're easily taken advantage of, or coerced into confessing to something they didn't do. Work your way through the above list and come up with a good reason each group that doesn't fall into any of those should be denied their rights. If you genuinely believe the reason(s) you give then you're likely to be swayed by an authoritarian figure looking to exploit your fervor for their power.

When human rights are denied to the least of us they can be denied to all of us. Nobody is defending a murderer just to defend him. But what crimes would warrant the loss of rights you're so up in arms about? Vagrancy was a crime, but only black people were really accused of it. From that point on they were criminals, and even easier to deny rights to. Speaking out against the government can also get you put in jail, depending on how you exercise that right. Sometimes the government does genuinely bad things. You shouldn't lose your rights because you called attention do the government's misdeeds. And laws change. What's illegal today may be legal tomorrow. Similarly, now abortions are illegal in many states, but they were legal before. Politics changes laws, so being a convicted felon shouldn't mean you get carted off to a foreign country to figure out how to start your life from scratch. It's not that country's problem/fault, and it's your right as a citizen to live in the country you're a citizen of. What you're suggesting is being stripped of citizenship and leaving somebody stateless. I don't know that you understand the implications of that.

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