FVBATofficial t1_iu1oi7q wrote
Reply to comment by DynoMiteDoodle in Putin claims West seeks global domination by using Ukraine by Gopu_17
Ukraine does not produce anything close to half of the world’s grain. Ukraine produces about as much as Pakistan does. Ukrainian grain fills a cheap grain niche in the market for some of Europe, which has already been mitigated, and only really impacts extreme improvised regions of Africa. Russia produces twice as much grain as Ukraine does, and even if you added Ukrainian grain to Russia’s supply it would still not be a worldwide issue if it were cut off from the world. Russian ambitions of invading NATO nations would never materialize. If Russia takes Ukraine it would certainly change the Regional security picture, but it would not be a worldwide issue whatsoever. Russia already controls the only strategic piece of land in Ukraine, and has since 2014 when the war began and it has yet to be a worldwide issue.
doublestitch t1_iu1tdie wrote
You need to look at exports, not just production. Ukraine was the world's fifth leading exporter of wheat in 2021. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 100.
Population has something to do with that. Pakistan has 225 million people; Ukraine has 43 million people. Pakistan is producing for domestic needs; Ukraine makes a surplus.
FVBATofficial t1_iu1ua9m wrote
I see that graph, I also see that Ukraine only contributed 8% of the worlds supply which is nowhere near the “half” originally claimed by Dyno, and is not anywhere near a worldwide issue number especially considering that the nations above and below Ukraine are capable of filling the slack by increasing production, again factoring in Russia.
doublestitch t1_iu1vrch wrote
You'll have to take up that with Dyno. I've joined to fact check your assertions. You wrote,
> even if you added Ukrainian grain to Russia’s supply it would still not be a worldwide issue if it were cut off from the world.
What the stats at that source show is Russia is currently neck and neck with the United States for the top spot with slightly over 13% of the export market. As things stand Russia gets the top spot by a hair; if it succeeds at taking over Ukraine then Russia would be the clear leader gaining control over more than 20% of the international wheat trade.
And Ukraine's wheat production is chiefly in the west and south of the country--which is what Russia is trying hardest to control. (Crimea
> If Russia takes Ukraine it would certainly change the Regional security picture, but it would not be a worldwide issue whatsoever.
That's a sweeping claim. It doesn't look like the data bears it out.
FVBATofficial t1_iu1yzo5 wrote
Russia has controlled Crimea in it’s entirety for 8 years now.
doublestitch t1_iu1z8px wrote
It's difficult to believe you're writing that in good faith. That's a red herring.
FVBATofficial t1_iu1zg5q wrote
How is that a red herring, that is directly applicable to the comment it is in reply to, and important context to remember that this is soon to be a 9 year old war, not a new war.
DynoMiteDoodle t1_iu1q8se wrote
Yea, I said he would have control. You didn't add up the total of his influence in a world where he won.
FVBATofficial t1_iu1rmac wrote
Again his total influence would be regional at best. And even then he’d still have less grain than Western Europe so he’d really only have marginal influence over Eastern Europe.
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