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-LostInCloud- t1_iucqfqf wrote

Reply to comment by lord_pizzabird in EU has frozen 17 billion euros in Russian assets by MonarchistParty

Look at what happened after WW1, and what happened after WW2 in West and East Germany respectively.

Russia needs to change, not be fucked over.

I'm all for giving the seized assets to Ukraine, but if we ever reach a point where we could push war reparations onto Russia, maybe we should not destabilise it by starting with massive debt.

Slava Ukraine

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lord_pizzabird t1_iudpvl9 wrote

Germany was in massive debt after ww2, same with Japan. The difference was a semi-permanent occupation by allied forces. In both cases US forces are still there, in the form of military bases.

The lesson of ww2, learned from ww1 is that a country can’t just be left to their own devices post world war, but needs a long term nation building investment and occupation to enforce it.

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-LostInCloud- t1_iuduwkj wrote

I think it's more the sentiment: do you want 'revenge' and punishment, or do you want to assist the country to develop into an ally?

East Germany also was occupied, but fundamentally different than West Germany.

If we ever get to a point like that with Russia, we need to not punish them, but help them.

Oh and punish a the fucks that helped perpetuate the war and warcrimes.

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lord_pizzabird t1_iudx4bt wrote

Revenge would be not doing enough, allowing war to pop off again in few decades.

Also, there's a huge difference between going too far and adequately punishing those responsible. It has to be an even response with a nation building plan, or you get Germany after WW1.

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