noclue72 t1_iu5aljn wrote
The voters showing I.D seems sensible to me. Religious face coverings could very easily be abused in this situation. And most minorities vote labour so it's no surprise certain mps are moaning about it, their voters have lost the ability to cheat.
funk_monk t1_iu5ke9v wrote
Voter fraud does exist in the UK but it's really not a big deal.
In an ideal world there wouldn't be any fraud but you have to look at it from a pragmatic perspective of "how can we get the most representative result?", rather than "we need to completely eliminate election fraud".
The problem with voter ID is that there's high indication that requiring ID will bias the results more than voter impersonation did/does in the first place.
peretona OP t1_iu5lzsm wrote
> The problem with voter ID is that there's high indication that requiring ID will bias the results
This is the exact aim though. The voter ID is very carefully designed so that most rich people (the kind that go abroad) already have it either as a passport, or in the few cases that don't travel, as a driving license. At the same time, if you don't have one of those it can be almost impossible to get because you have to travel to special centers that are far away and you have to provide documents that are very likely difficult for you to get.
It's something that you have to make a big effort to apply for. If this wasn't meant to bias the results the government would have made it automatic for most people to get sent an ID card if they don't already have one. I
noclue72 t1_iu5o8j0 wrote
Dude a passport cost about £70 the last time I got one and is very useful in day to day life, not just travel. Not having one is stupid.
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funk_monk t1_iu5vspv wrote
There are multiple points to make here.
- The fact that you or I can afford £70 doesn't mean everyone can.
- Elections can be called at short notice. Getting ID on short notice is even more expensive (can confirm since I did exactly that last year).
- The proposed free workarounds are still more inconvenient for those on lower income.
None of this would be a problem if there wasn't a correlation between difficulty of obtaining ID and voting trends but unfortunately it's true.
noclue72 t1_iu60hks wrote
People on benefits are going to Majorca n shit I know plenty that do, anyone can get a passport if they are eligible for one
peretona OP t1_iu6a5ba wrote
>People on benefits are going to Majorca n shit I know plenty that do
That's the cowboy scammers that know how to work round the complicated means tests and stuff the conservatives introduced. They get much more than they deserve because the mess with the rules. Most of the honest people get less than they actually need because the money is spent on enforcement people and appeals processes and so on instead of just giving it to people who need it.
ImaginationNaive4145 t1_iu5bdv5 wrote
Behave. Have you seen the fucking cabinet?
noclue72 t1_iu5bwp2 wrote
They aren't the voters are they
ImaginationNaive4145 t1_iu5fh2x wrote
I’m fairly sure they do vote. Unless it is actually a big charade when the rock up to vote, complete with entourage and TV crews.
noclue72 t1_iu5i25e wrote
I'm clearly talking about the other 60 million people in the country
peretona OP t1_iu5eyx1 wrote
> They aren't the voters are they
You're trying to suggest that the UK government cabinet spent so long abroad avoiding taxes that they lost the right to vote? You're accusing the current Conservative government of putting themselves above their country? Suppose you're right. Carry on.
Ecksearoh t1_iu5saqi wrote
Wow! I just... wow.
They still make you? I honestly thought this model passed on when the queen did.
PM-me-Gophers t1_iu6hwqo wrote
If we don't let anyone vote and the Tories continue to just pass the job aroubd there wouldn't be any chance of voter fraud at all! /s
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