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I think the problem is that the majority of the Russians who leave do nothing to oppose Putin’s regime (for a variety of reasons including fear for their family, apathy, actually supporting Putin, and many more) and plan to go back to Russia and live there happily ever after when things blow over. Most of the draft dodgers who fled Russia are expected to return.

So you’re basically providing a safe hideout for Russian citizens to lie low whenever the war starts impacting them personally, which decreases social tensions in Russia and acts as a vent for Putin’s regime instead of destabilizing it.

Those are the arguments I’ve heard. I’m not really convinced by either side. It’s a complex situation.

EDIT: It seems to me that letting Russians in on the condition that they renounce their Russian citizenship would be a good solution in most cases.

I guess those could be true for people actually fleeing temporarily, but we're talking work permits here. This tells me some of those people are willing to stay.

Wtf are you on about? They are not "undesirables" in your analogy, they are the Nazis.

And no, we don't need any more Russians here, nor do we have any obligation to take them in. We will most likely have another huge wave of Ukrainian refugees thanks to Russian invasion and how they deliberately target civilian infrastructure to increase humanitarian crisis. It's not really smart thing to do to have both oppressors and oppressed in same place as it will bring more tensions and clashes.

Also - why would anyone waste their resources on doing checks on each and every one of them in case they are just spies/saboteurs like we see in Norway/Finland, when those same resources could be used to help Ukraine?

"The simplified procedure is a fast-track process which allows foreign nationals to legalise their employment in Poland within seven days. It is now available to citizens of Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine, the ministry added."

They’re only talking about the expedited procedure for getting a work permit, though, which implies that they’re targeting short term refugees.

That's easy to say from someone who doesn't know Russians personally.

The ones living in Europe think Europe belongs to them. That we love them and that we need them.

They live in Illusions that they saved us and that they protect us. Ironically this is due to them living in a social bubble. They could be the 2nd generation or even the 3rd. Yet still they will never be "Polish", "Czech", "German" etc... they will always consider themselves Russian.

That's how nationalistic and brainwashed they are.

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Ok have you met all of them?

This will surely help to drain russia's manpower

To be fair, there is a concern that Russians abroad will covertly or overtly support the war, and given what we've seen from Russians harassing Ukrainians, these concerns are valid.

But I do agree. Is there not some way any partner in the West can accept Russians trying to flee, while keeping out, deporting, or otherwise minimizing the influence of the Putin shills? Every ruble not sent to their government through taxes, every cog missing from the Russian economy will be a drain on their war effort. And maybe the West can win over some highly trained young professionals to boot.

And I know there's the whole argument of 'they should protest and change their own nation'. But the truth is, Putin has formed Russian society in a way that makes this extremely difficult, effective protests require organization on a scale that Putin will easily be able to undermine, as he has control over so much of society and pretty much all the media there. Anybody who dares to protest individually will be conscripted or imprisoned. The most impactful way we can change Russia ~now~ is by delivering them a big fat defeat in Ukraine.

or the opposite?

Would be interesting to see what happens. If the men can't find work in or out of the country, will they sign up for the war to feed their families?

All of them? No, but most of them do think like this. Russian communities tend to form enclaves in whichever countries they're transplanted into, and usually consume Russian state media. It's a huge problem in all of the ex-eastern bloc countries where Russian colonists were brought in to replace the deported local intelligentsia post WW2.

It's clear you know nothing about the area and the problems we have to deal with.
Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean this as an insult, but more of an encouragement to read up and talk with people to get a feel for what's actually going on.

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Isn't this the case for most refugees? Most refugees love their country, but when their country becomes too dangerous to remain, they have no choice but to flee. I'm sure a lot of them would love to return to the place they grew up if it was safe. Why is Russia different to you?

How are refugees fleeing a dictatorship "nazis"?

If they are fleeing NOW it is because Putin is losing and they don’t want to be conscripted- if they were against the war/Putin, they would have fled (and MANY did!) in February/March.

They are not refugees, Ukrainians which were invaded and are genocided by their country, for whom they did not give two shits about for whole 7 months, are refugees.

Well, because I'm on Ukraine's side in this conflict and I want Russia to lose the war. The idea of straight up refusing Russian people at the border doesn't sit right with me, but I can understand why they shouldn't be just let through no questions asked (the arguments I heard and listed in my previous comment). And we as "the West" need to put as much strain on Putin's regime as we can -- some of that strain, unfortunetely, will impact regular Russians.

Also, there is a clear difference between Ukrainian refugees, fleeing bombings and attacks on civilian infrastructure in their hometowns, and Russian dudes that are trying to avoid the mobilization. Draft evasion is considered a criminal offense in most countries, not just totalitarian hellholes. You wouldn't treat a burglar escaping their national law enforcement to a different country as a refugee, would you?

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But really can you blame them? These are just ordinary people. Stuff like this doesn't target the oligarchs who can be individually sanctioned anyway. This whole thing would be the last straw that would push someone over the edge to finally leaving that hellhole of a country, and now they can't. Plus they're quite possibly people facing persecution in Russia as well, don't forget that.

Look I don't think those death benefits go as far as you think they do.

> It's clear you know nothing about the area and the problems we have to deal with.

-Someone who judges everyone without even meeting one