John-Depth t1_iufk4le wrote on October 30, 2022 at 11:03 PM

Reply to comment by jisaacs1207 in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink

>Israel regularly votes against the countries feeding it

What countries does it vote against that are "feeding" it?

jisaacs1207 t1_iufl1u2 wrote on October 30, 2022 at 11:09 PM

Please check the comments a couple down-links included. Israel consistently defies nations that have been giving them billions in support and technology-both through abstaining or directly going against them.

This is fine. Israel is a sovereign nation and isn’t obliged to always follow demands, similar to Ukraine.

John-Depth t1_iufubd9 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 12:20 AM

>This is fine. Israel is a sovereign nation and isn’t obliged to always follow demands, similar to Ukraine.

I don't think it's comparable. As you already acknowledged, Israel does not vote against countries that support it. By "Straight up defies", it seems like you mean to say "did not do everything the said state wanted them to do", or simply abstained from a UN vote. Perhaps, it's even less of a deal then voting against a state in the UN.

A more apt comparison to Ukraine would be if Israel would consistently vote against a state while demanding it should get military support from it. or on the inverse, if Ukraine refused to vote as Israel says in a specific resolution because it goes against their interest. This is not the case.

jisaacs1207 t1_iufzrlk wrote on October 31, 2022 at 1:01 AM

Abstaining is voting against, by way of … well, how voting works in this situation. Furthermore, Israel consistently does exactly what it’s supporting nations asks it to not do regarding how the conflict with its neighbors is being handled.

Both Ukraine and Israel are nations that are being propped up, Israel having been for a very long time. The reason for this is that both nations have very unfriendly neighbors that would sooner absorb their territory and that dismisses their sovereignty.

The big difference here is that the Israel has much more experience, are more mature in their existence, have been propped up long enough to build a defense network, and understands the stakes. Jews know, intimately, the result of madmen annexing their neighbors with genocidal intent.

Aid with the intent of immediately ending what is, again, cultivating should not being contingent on anything. I would not deny my neighbor water if their house was on fire, even if their vote against my interest. Doing so is just not Jewish culture. Pragmatism alone would warn that fires spread.