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EatLard t1_iub2dh7 wrote

Which only increases the likelihood they “attacked” themselves.

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TarkovRatKing t1_iubtrlc wrote

Oh no, it was Ukrainian alright. But Russia expected to be able to hit Odessa from Sevastopol, a breach of the deal, without any form of clap back. And now they found out (again)

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knotacylon t1_iub28be wrote

Question, wasn't the reason Russia agreed to this initiative because otherwise we would have given the Ukrainian ships a military escort? If they back out what's to stop us from doing that now?

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JPal856 t1_iub3t85 wrote

Time for the UN to step in and guarantee the safety of the shipping lanes.

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reddebian t1_iub41k0 wrote

Wouldn't work, Russia would just veto that. The UN is useless as long as Russia has a seat

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HumbleDragon20 t1_iub8wel wrote

Why rely on UN anyway for that. Couldn't any friendly country just start escorting ukraine grain and it would send a loud enough message.

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TarkovRatKing t1_iubu10n wrote

There is a treaty that forbids warships from non-balck sea countries for more than a few weeks if there is war. This is enforced by Turkey, as they control the entrance. It would be a nightmare for any Navy, even all of NATO navies, to rotate escorts in and out of the black sea that frequently.

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wastingvaluelesstime t1_iucbmvb wrote

Why not just have romania do the escorting by itself, bolstered by a lot of aircraft

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TarkovRatKing t1_iudrta5 wrote

They do not have the navy for that. Too few ships.

Escort duty requires a lot of ships to screen the protected ships.

Each ship will need a destroyer in range to defend it from missiles. There are a lot of cargo ships and romania does not have the numbers to protect all. Even the US navy would struggle to assign ships for that escort duty against an enemy like Russia, in the Black sea.

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wastingvaluelesstime t1_iudv7aa wrote

Ships could also proceed in the 12-mile territorial limit of romania and bulgaria, then reflag under romanian, bulgarian, the turkish flags. Any attack once out of ukrainian waters would be an article 5 violation.

Also apparently there are hundreds of ships. Does russia have hundreds of submarines and backfire bombers ready to be destroyed in the act of sinking a 10k ton romanian flagged ancient grain hauler?

I's suspect that aside from bluster, mines, drones, and sabotage would be the biggest threats

And finally, this all rests on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits

It was challenged by the russians in the past and is one reason Turkey is in NATO. With Russia violating all rules of conduct recently, maybe it's time to replace this with the following rules:

  1. all military traffic forbidden - for russia

  2. all military traffic allowed - for NATO and other black sea states

Especially when combined with eventually evicting russia from syrian naval facilities, it would really improve security in the entire region.

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TarkovRatKing t1_iudvir6 wrote

Well, they would surely feel more tempted of there is no naval cover. One thing is sinking a cargo ship. Other way more serious is targeting a ship that is close to a NATO war vessel and forcing it to defend.

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thederpofwar321 t1_iuculfw wrote

Just tell turkey they have some new orders to follow if they enjoy having sole control over that area.

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CurryWIndaloo t1_iub4uhy wrote

Shits gone from worse to worser and could go to worsterst. This is going to fuck food up bad.

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ataw10 t1_iubgfvm wrote

dont forget , worstest , worerest , holy shit balls puttin where did our paddle go , hey why is the river complete made of shit , HEY why is the boat got a hole in it , Why are the skys singing in american english ?

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autotldr t1_iub34hg wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 66%. (I'm a bot)

> Russia has announced that it is suspending its participation in the Black Sea Grain Initiative, supposedly because of the "Terrorist attack" in Sevastopol Bay on the morning of Saturday, 29 October.

> In particular, the Russian Defence Ministry stressed that the reason for withdrawing from the initiative is the "Terrorist attack" carried out by the "Kyiv regime", allegedly with the participation of British specialists.

> Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for the Russian Defence Ministry, said earlier on Saturday that the attack was targeted at ships of the Black Sea Fleet that were involved in ensuring the security of the grain corridor.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: attack^#1 Ministry^#2 Grain^#3 Terrorist^#4 Saturday^#5

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captsmokeywork t1_iubaw88 wrote

Guess than means NATO will have to escort those ships now.

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--Gungnir-- t1_iub7gla wrote

Putin looks for ANY excuse to be a raging A-Hole and all out son of a B!tch..

Even if the reason is fake or non exsitent.

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gentlemannosh t1_iucr2p5 wrote

So Ukraine, take away all of their Black Sea fleet.

Never stop.

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qwsedd t1_iub04c2 wrote

"im loosing the war so hard" - moment

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TILTNSTACK t1_iubo7lj wrote

“Minor damage”

Throws temper tantrum. The video from the unmanned boats shows at least three of them hitting their target and exploding.

Fuck Russia.

Let’s fuck up their entire Black Sea fleet.

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No_Zookeepergame_27 t1_iudfz9a wrote

Source?

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TILTNSTACK t1_iudmpxd wrote

Ukraine released video from the unmanned boats. Three of the video feeds cut out just as they hit the warships. One would assume it’s because they detonated on target.

Timed video footage from afar shows a couple of explosions at those times out in the bay.

If you look around this thread, you’ll find the video. It was everywhere yesterday.

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Rogermcfarley t1_iucts7j wrote

Putin is very upset because Ukraine knows how to play Battleship and he's kicked the board over and shouted You sunk my Battleship!

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macfaddenstrews t1_iuct1av wrote

'backs out'!! Lies, manipulates, gaslights.

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-Tasty-Energy- t1_iucxn8b wrote

As far as I know 60% of all the grain exported by Ukraine in the last year were through the Romanian port of Constanta.

The grain is delivered through railways and danube, so they were not using the port in the first place. Or maybe I didn't understood the process?

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[deleted] t1_iue5r00 wrote

There is no point in trying to negotiate with Russia. Will the West ever learn? They are liars with no integrity or honor.

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