Got_No_Situation t1_iydbn36 wrote on November 30, 2022 at 3:41 PM

Reply to comment by Odin52573 in EU Commission proposes blocking billions in funds to Hungary by Bald-Eagle619

The former (military intervention) is impossible short of WW3, since neither NATO nor the EU can wage war against itself.

The latter is just true, so obviously that's the more likely one. However, the reason this came to be is the central media control. The reason people vote based on an entirely false view of events (think One America News, except it's every channel) is due to the central media control.

That's the pillar holding all of their power, and the reason they were able to subvert everything while keeping up the pretense of fair elections. So that's where they can and should be attacked. Until then, they can mobilize their plurality voterbase against absolutely anything because they can literally control what a significant-enough portion of people believe. Think MAGA, except with near perfect linguistic isolation on their side.

Odin52573 t1_iyde3f1 wrote on November 30, 2022 at 3:58 PM

So then it is the normal peoples fault. Willful ignorance might not be the best defence for them, nor should it be.

Do you believe everything that they tell you?

Could it be that the other side also doesn't understand them, which is why it always comes down to exact opposites, instead of the more real, slightly different approaches to the same problem?

Got_No_Situation t1_iydfyes wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:10 PM

> So then it is the normal peoples fault. Willful ignorance might not be the best defence for them, nor should it be.

I can agree with that in a detached, theoretical way where we are not looking for solutions but where to place blame. But since this method can and will work on other countries, and in fact is being deployed even in the most "blame-free" Western countries with some success already (UK, NL, USA), I don't think that really helps. Even if you're okay with just discarding the will of entire nations, we still need a solution to the mass manipulation problem.

> Could it be that the other side also doesn't understand them, which is why it always comes down to exact opposites, instead of the more real, slightly different approaches to the same problem?

I am not sure what you mean by this. There is no "other side". They won on the back of the failures of the previous government in 2010, and began altering election law and setting up centralized propaganda immediately.

There isn't really room for oppositional candidates of any sort to gain any kind of ground, so it's not like the ""left"" versus ""right"" dichotomy that still exists in the US.