Submitted by DoremusJessup t3_z8bprw in worldnews
And an ongoing investigation. Releasing info would destroy any innocent person connected
"Innocent until proven guilty" is the first thing that goes out of the window when the court of public opinion is involved.
gow government be possibly proven guilty. Their owners own own police court and media too.
> And an ongoing investigation. Releasing info would destroy any innocent person connected
A benevolence not afforded to the rest of us. People accused of serious crimes in their workplaces are not usually allowed to keep working there while they are being investigated.
Good point
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Canada is part of America. You mean The United States of America.
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I'd like to thank him for the compliment
I don't get it
Thank you.
They are being vague because it's an active investigation. You are irresponsibility speculating.
You are doing your own speculating. We don't know why they are being vague. With the Liberal Party and Justin Trudeau, they've hardly earned a shred of "benefit of the doubt". There are a lot of unanswered questions here. Such as why the Liberals kept silent when warned of the interference in January. Speculative, of course, but many think the Liberals shelved it because the influence was to their own benefit.
Not like the Conservatives deserve benefit of the doubt either. Conservatives under PM Harper drafted, negotiated and signed the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement which effectively surrendered Canada's sovereign rights to China. Real patriots.
The problem is the threshold for "being on the take".
It is not difficult to donate money to a politician. They'll take money from all sorts of directions. Whether or not you manage to purchase some influence is another issue.
If I were CCP wanting to appear to have corrupted a particular candidate, I could donate $5k to their campaign through fairly acceptable totally legal channels then let myself get caught doing so.
I would have helped someone get elected by contributing to their campaign then get caught doing so if I wished to smear them.
If we are going to become more proof against foreign manipulation we are going to have to substantially improve our understanding of the issues being voted for in parliament.
I don't mean that we should get more compelled, I mean that we need to nurture a deeper understanding of how shit works instead of ascribing to the hot takes of influencers that excite us.
I can see some brilliance in China's play: they have recognized a kind of primal weaknesses in the human social psyche. I see that they exercise a cynical raison d'etre in their approach to governance and manipulation in respect of this realization.
The Chinese have recognized that the human psyche is prone to tribal behaviours and that our social impulse is both powerful and highly irrational.
They are working to limit individualism and keep a tight lid on their internal narrative while experimenting in destabilizing Western cultures wherever they can.
I crunched some numbers from an article on Chinese "police stations" being operated in Toronto a month or so ago. CSIS presented some estimate of how much China was spending on their efforts to destabilize us.
Lots of discussion as to which of our politicians had been corrupted. It got us thinking about what political things had happened in the past that we didn't like and could they be attributed to foreign manipulation.
I rounded up and chunked on some more cash to reach something like $20M CAD.
I was chagrined that China could spend a mere $0.60 per Canadian person to destabilize our fragile psyche. We do something insane like $70k GDP per person and we can be dicked with with a $0.60 spend.
Our GDP per person is freaking $70kCAD per freaking person and they can twizzle our psyches with 60 cents.
Ok, I'm pissed that China could dick with my country, but I have to own the fact that the vulnerability they're playing with has to be more my fault than China's.
The cash that China is spending to mess with us is a mere pittance in comparison to our productivity. They're messing with a kind of social transistor effect that is inherent to our brains and we get to take that away from China if we could somehow find some harmony with ourselves which would be good for us in the long term anyways.
We are losing the plot on how to become a better society and are instead wracked with infighting.
Some good analysis- but your financial analysis assumes that the police stations are their main form of bribing and corrupting - which we have no evidence of.
The budget could be much larger but we lack the data to properly analyze it
Please elaborate
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Both Canada and the US need to take steps to counter hostile foreign interference in our societies while we can. Keep the conservatives out by undermining their foreign partners.
In Australia, both the conservatives and progressives were on the take from China.
Conservatives and liberals are flip flopped in Australia
Don’t toilets run the other way down there too?
There’s a joke about politicians in there somewhere….
Doesn't matter if they go Left or Right, they're just turds destined for the same sewer? Maybe too on the nose.
Surely it's all [other political party], it couldn't be [my political party], we're the good guys!
Statistics matter greatly here. Due to the nature there's likely a big enough gap between the two, that yes you can say it is one party largely and not the other.
Put effort to clean both, focusing on the bigger one 1st. In this case as far as what seems to be released and opinions go it is logical to conclude that reps. are far more influenced.
>Keep the conservatives out by undermining their foreign partners.
It's the opposite in Canada.
China directly or indirectly funds a huge % of left-leaning politicians.
I'm surprised by these investigations because members of Trudeau's party and many of his closest allies are surely implicated.
It’s the same in the US.
Yeah fucking right.
You really should look at the Conservatives' track record if you think that...
The fact that:
It's not rocket science to figure out which party has a big problem on their hands right now.
>It's not rocket science to figure out which party has a big problem on their hands right now.
Yeah but here on reddit everyone views the Conservatives as evil and corrupt and Trudeau and the Liberals are angels who have never done or could do no wrong. That's why there's an awful lot of deflecting going on in the comments. Also go post anything critical of Trudeau on a bunch of the Canadian subreddits and you'll get hit by downvote bots.
This man is correct ⬆️
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China was actively working against the Tories in Canada (for some reason. They were not actually as hard on China as the current gov is.)
Canada should also investigate the hands of islamic regime of iran in toronto
IRGC leaders with apartments in TO and their kids living here
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This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
> Ottawa - Canadian federal police are investigating widespread interference by China in Canadian affairs, including its "Democratic processes," the nation's top cop has said in a letter to a parliamentary committee but without detailing the allegations.
> The Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs is looking into possible foreign interference in Canadian elections.
> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in the House of Commons that Canada's "Intelligence services have highlighted many times that interference in Canadian affairs by foreign powers is an ongoing thing."
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Canadian^#1 interference^#2 foreign^#3 police^#4 China^#5
Fuck off China, we have our own elites controlling our affairs!
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It is perfectly possible for the election results to be free from interference and the elected candidate to not be.
Turns out the C in CTV doesn't stand for canadian.
Blah, blah. Do something to enforce laws. It's abhorrent to not. Does China have nudes on Canada, and the US?
Kicking the can down the road..
The RCMP are our federal police. What an odd title
Yeah? They’re federal police whether or not we call them the RCMP. Non-Canadians wouldn’t know that the RCMP have federal, provincial and municipal jurisdiction
That makes sense
Meanwhile, both the federal Liberals and Conservatives have multiple MP's and staff ready to bend over for China at a moment's notice.
We know it's going to be heavily skewed towards Liberals and NDP, because Conservatives are heavily pushing for these investigations.
You really should look at the Conservatives' track record if you think that...
Trudeau and most gov in Canada is just bunch of rentboys, and China has a lot on money ...
The world needs to slowly and methodically cut off China. Stop buying their goods and services, cut off immigration, limit and heavily filter all communications with them.
r/BoycottChina
Canada is owned by China.
Only most of the land, resources, housing, and politicians.... Oh wait....
China basically has sleeper agents all over the place to hunt down nationals that criticize them.
At least they bothered to tell you lol
Fuck off China
Never understood why diplomatic immunity allows a license to steal.
This will be heavily censored and buried by the Liberal government like every other investigation on the CCP. (Virology lab in Winnipeg, CanSino deal, BC money laundering, …)
Every politician should have to declare foreign investments or foreign donations.
"Renked Choice Voting"
If it's not the US or Russia, then it's China
Never knew we had a top cop tbh. Is he the cop with the most traffic tickets issued?
No, it’s the head of the RCMP — you know, the agency that investigates serious criminal offences in Canada.
That's not what the RCMP actually does. It's just a common misconception since lots of Canadians think of them as the "Canadian FBI." In Canada, policing of the criminal code is solely a responsibility of the provinces. Provinces can either establish their own police force, like Ontario and Quebec did, or they can contract out policing to the RCMP like every other province opted to. That's why you don't see any RCMP officers in either Ontario nor Quebec, or at least extremely rarely.
Some provinces move this responsibility further down to municipal governments, where relevant. In Ontario and Quebec, municipal governments can either contract out the provincial police force or they can establish their own, like Toronto and Montreal have. Municipalities in some other provinces have a similar deal, but the alternative to establishing their own force is contracting out the RCMP instead of the non-existent provincial police force.
In addition to contract policing for some provinces, the RCMP is also tasked with national security, which is why the RCMP is involved in this story at all.
There are some exceptions to this, however. Like they do police some federal laws that are not the criminal code. And they police organized crime and financial crimes. And some provinces have opted to have the RCMP contracted out for a subset of the criminal code rather than the whole thing.
> Investigate serious and organized crime, financial crime and criminal activity related to national security; Conduct international law enforcement capacity-building, support Canadian international peace operations and advance domestic police operations through enhanced visibility, reach and influence abroad.
investigates serious…crime.
National security is included in this. I have no misconceptions having worked on various contracts with various agencies.
> investigates serious…crime.
You're misreading your quote. It's not saying "serious crime and organized crime." It's saying "crime that is both serious and organized." "Serious and organized crime" is what Canadian law calls organized crime in general. You can read more about the definition of "serious and organized crime" here: https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/soc-cgco/index-eng.htm
And as I said before, organized crime and financial crime are two of the more notable exceptions where the RCMP is involved. But they are not involved in criminal investigations in general, serious or otherwise, unless contracted out by the relevant province.
> National security is included in this.
Right, that's what I said. But national security is not the same as criminal policing, which is a provincial power.
So no, aside from the three exceptions that I already stated, the RCMP does not have a mandate to investigate criminal matters where not contracted out.
> I have no misconceptions having worked on various contracts with various agencies.
Ah yes, same here. Totally. Believe me bro.
And even if you are telling the truth, it apparently doesn't mean much.
You’re a pedant lol. They investigate serious criminal matters. That’s a fact.
You come here with your AKCHSHUALLY bullshit looking for an argument.
And you have a reading comprehension issue. They do not investigate serious crimes with the exception of organized crime and financial crimes (or where contracted out by the province). That's a fact.
You’re agreeing with me in the dumbest way possible.
Bruh.
You: "The RCMP is the police agency that investigates serious crime."
Me: "Provincial police forces investigate all crime, serious or not, except for where the RCMP is the only police agency to start with. They also investigate two very specific crimes: organized and financial.
Idk how else to explain it to you. Practically all crimes in Canada, serious or not, are defined by the Criminal Code. Provinces have exclusive jurisdiction over the Criminal Code. That's all there is to it.
If parliament makes something a crime outside the criminal code, then enforcement is federal jurisdiction. But that's only happened with organized crime and money laundering. All other crimes, serious or not, are provincial responsibility.
Again, to reiterate, since you have trouble reading: the RCMP is not tasked with enforcing "serious" crime.
You are truly hopeless, “bruh”.
Lol good for you, I'm out. You can believe the RCMP enforces "serious crime" if you want. You'd be an idiot that believes the wrong thing and doesn't even understand the basics of our constitution, but hey. You do you.
You're too much of a narcissist to admit you're wrong, and this feels like talking to a brick wall. Even in the face of evidence that you found yourself proving you wrong, you still refuse to get your head out of your ass. So adios, have a good day.
Edit: And all this because I left a friendly comment explaining our constitution divides policing powers differently than the US constitution, and that the RCMP thus fulfils a different role than the FBI.
Read the article for even 5 seconds and you’d learn who she is.
Holy Asperger's, Batman. I can't believe people couldn't tell you were making a joke without seeing a "/s"
I don't know what everyone is getting so excited about. Muricans been runnin our show for years. And before that it was the family of that dead Queen.
I mean, if it's the language thing, Mandarin is a wonderful sounding language. That whole tonal thing. Pretty cool, really.
Eww
I can just hear the right saying we should now open up internment camps.
Never trust a cop
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Lots of islamophobia and sentiment against Muslims in there. What are your thoughts on the Uyghur, Hmmm....?
So they've got one solid take and a bunch of abhorrent ones
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They are being vague because there's multiple elected officials who are on the take if not directly connected to China through the embassy officials who have diplomatic immunity