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---AI--- t1_ixyb9hn wrote

Reply to comment by MidniteMogwai in Returning to normal relations with Russia would be a mistake, says Lithuanian president by hieronymusanonymous

Germany managed to come back from what it did. Took about 20 years after defeat.

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isanameaname t1_ixycsxh wrote

And occupation of course.

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Shurqeh t1_ixyjumo wrote

and a lot of western money

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0x6F1 t1_iy3it12 wrote

And a lot of apologising and eating humble pie.
In about 1970 I was a 14 year old visiting Germany (I'm English) to improve my spoken German. I remember vividly being in Nuremberg railway station and a German teenager apparently jokingly gave a Nazi salute and said "Sieg Heil". I didn't see what had prompted this but the public roasting that she got from, presumably her family, was very dramatic. They had no way of knowing my nationality so it wasn't done in any way for my benefit.
My take on this incident is that 25 years after WW2 ended they were still super sensitive about distancing themselves from the years of Naziism and that phase of their history.
I don't have the feeling that Russia is even approaching that level of maturity and introspection and has the willingness to examine how they are perceived by other countries.

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G_Morgan t1_iy05yyi wrote

If Russia wants to invite NATO to occupy and rebuild it for 20 years then sure that is a process we can talk about.

All expectation is Russia will be forced to accept the reality of losing the war without anything materially changing in Russia. That doesn't allow for what happened with West Germany.

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EADtomfool t1_iy1dlxj wrote

That was a deliberate plan by the west (mainly USA) because they didn't want a repeat of the consequences of WW1. The west deliberately planned for Germanys rebuild after WW2. At this stage, noboyd is planning for a rebuild of russia.

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