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Sovdark t1_ixu01lj wrote

Reply to comment by Ahmatt in Israel gave dozens of countries intel on Iran arms transfers to Russia — report by nahalkishon

It’s a stereotype/racist thing “Jews have big noses”. You see it in a lot of antisemitic propaganda cartoons.

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Ahmatt t1_ixv1hai wrote

I am not gonna get into a whole argument but I am tired of people further endorsing the notion that "a giant nose is a jewish nose", be it with good or bad intentions...

I don't know how does that help fight anti-semitism.

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NeSmetamTiNeSmetasMi t1_ixv3061 wrote

Zelensky is Jewish you thick knob. A "big nosed jew" has been the negative charicature of Jewish people since print media became a thing.

Drawing someone with a big nose isn't anti-semitic. Drawing a Jewish person with one is.

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Ahmatt t1_ixv7wfq wrote

Interesting...your cognitive dissonance should be studied. read your whole paragraph again, then look how you're starting the conversation.

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixvodzh wrote

If you think drawing caricatures of influential Jewish people with enlarge noses isn’t anti-Semitic propaganda, you must not know anything about this last 1000 years of Eastern European history.

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Darth_Cartsalot t1_ixvtwfu wrote

A big nose is the last thing I'd associate with Jews. The star of David is a more recognizable symbol imho

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixvy898 wrote

You are lucky to be raised in such a sheltered environment that you are unaware of hateful propaganda. I envy you.

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Darth_Cartsalot t1_ixwih6v wrote

I'm black. I've lived through hate. I can't even remember the last time I've seen big noses as a Jewish stereotype much less as an insult towards jews. What I have seen is straight up anti-semitism against Jews, use of slurs towards Jews and hateful post about Jews. So I think I know what I'm talking about, especially when I've spoken up everytime I've seen hate.

Maybe consider focusing on things that affect Jews more frequently than the whole nose thing. It's fallen out of favor.

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixwl7wj wrote

Just because you don’t see it in your daily life doesn’t mean it’s fallen out of favor.

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Cagouin t1_ixwmhqk wrote

/s What do you mean? I'm a white dude, live in a white dude place with almost only white folks, racism and hate against people of color clearly doesn't exist, I've never seen it! /s

(my wife actually look Northern african and I got called very nasty name in Arab by some folks in the street who didn't like me dating her, I was "diluting the race" apparently, it reminded me of a lil' guy with a mustache XD)

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Darth_Cartsalot t1_ixwmjdf wrote

Okay, tell me where you've seen it or Jewish folk you know have seen it? Because it's absent major media and anywhere I've been physically or online. The only thing I've seen here and there is that 1900s caricature of a Jew clasping his hands and with a long nose.

Anytime I've talked to the Jewish about racism and the like, I always ask about their experiences and what they have dealt with.

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixwnyfd wrote

The US Republican Party digitally enlarges the noses of Jewish democrat congressional candidates. What immediately comes to mind is the 2020 senate campaign for John Ossoff. But they also do it in their fundraising emails with pictures of Chuck Schumer. This was also done in mailings by Doug Manstriano in his gubernatorial campaign against Governer-elect Josh Shapiro in PA this year. This is very similar to what the Russian embassy is doing in the parent comment.

I’ve seen fliers around where I grew up in Ohio with these caricatures and I see people that post shit like this on Facebook on a daily basis.

Is that enough? Like idk why you’re dying on this hill. It very much happens, idk why you are so dead set on showing that Jews having large noses isn’t the stereotype that it very much is.

If it isn’t enough. I can say that I was very much the target of this type of stereotype growing up, as were my fellow Jewish friends. I try not to use my personal experience to prove a point because one persons experience is not a good metric of whether or not a phenomenon occurs. You should also understand that your bullshit argument is based off of what you’ve seen and you have not seen everything.

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Darth_Cartsalot t1_ixwpuf6 wrote

That is a better answer. See, I never noticed that any candidates' noses were enlarged in media. Now that I know that I can look into it and see how often it's happened and hopefully inform them of how much of an issue it is.

I'm dying on this hill because I think it's bullshit to expect someone to know something that they don't and have no way of knowing unless it's pointed out to them. Neither of us put forth any evidence(until you gave instances of where noses were enlarged), so we default to lived experiences and things we've read or logic and reason or things we've been told.

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixwqdxx wrote

Dude, if you wanted evidence for this phenomenon, just google it. If you don’t know something, don’t deny it just because that’s your gut feeling. Don’t get all smug bc I had to spoon-feed you evidence that you could have easily taken five seconds to search.

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Darth_Cartsalot t1_ixwqy7f wrote

I never denied it, I did say that I've never seen it or was told about it, but what you just told me is something NO ONE would notice unless it was pointed out to them. How could I google something I didn't even know?

You put forth nothing prior to that comment to give me any indication that was happening. You merely said "hey the nose thing is happening" but not why or how.

How can you research something with no leads? Unless you come across it while reading about something else.

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixwreji wrote

  1. Claiming something is “out of fashion” is a denial of a current phenomenon by mitigating its impact.

  2. I would hope that you as a functioning adult would know how to look up something online by using a simple keyword search like “Jew large nose stereotype” could be a good place to start and maybe expand from there.

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Darth_Cartsalot t1_ixwu27h wrote

  1. From my former understanding, I was under the impression that it was hardly happening in the fashion described. But now I can look into how this stereotype continued to present day.

  2. Are you aware that the search query does not turn up anything related to political hit job edits on Jewish candidates. This is mostly information I already know...the 12th century history of the big nose,1900s political comics, etc But, Now I can Google "Republican party edits noses of Jewish candidates." Because that is a phenomenon that I had no prior knowledge of. The concept of learning is a thing.

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arcticwhitekoala t1_ixx4j79 wrote

Im tired of bickering with you over nonsense. I’m glad you know how to use google. I hope you learn to admit when you’re wrong in the future. Enjoy whatever last word you want to get by responding.

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Inlerah t1_ixw6uyt wrote

You do get the difference between saying "All jews have big noses" and pointing our that drawing Jewish people with big noses is a super common trate in anti-semetic works, right? Describing a racist trope is not the same as using said racist trope.

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Quasisafar-y t1_ixvvvxt wrote

Just cause you don't like it don't make it any less a thing.

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