me_and_myself_and_i t1_ixstya4 wrote
Xi might be between a rock and a hard place.
- the Chinese public lack any natural immunity, 2) the SinoVac vaccine is not particularly effective 3) Even now when the Chinese have an mRNA vaccine, there is a deep-rooted distrust of that technology 4) the elderly are the least likely to get vaccinated as they don't trust the government and 5) the coronavirus has evolved mutants that are even more transmissible
If China opens up, there might be a resulting pandemic that could be more severe than what China already went through in 2019/2020
bilyl t1_ixt3cyp wrote
I think this is at the heart of the issue. The Chinese government knows that the health care system cannot handle COVID surges. Even with the camps and ancillary facilities, it wouldn’t be able to handle a “back to normal” approach.
China has billions of citizens in cities way more dense than the USA. Imagine what would happen if ICUs started to fill up…
nomiinomii t1_ixvajq6 wrote
Nothing too bad will happen. Lots of very dense cities from Karachi to Abuja to Managua opened up and stayed open without too much issues. There's no reason to think otherwise for china.
Lamacorn t1_ixtfimq wrote
> don’t trust if government
From my couch that seems pretty fair in china. Heck most days I don’t much trust the us government either, but the science behind the vaccines makes sense and can be easily accessed, so we all got the vaccine
noogai131 t1_ixtnx7o wrote
I trust the science enough to get vaccinated.
I don't trust my government enough to comply with forced quarantine measures that would take me from my home and area I live into a quarantine camp in the middle of buttfuck nowhere.
Lamacorn t1_ixuoqc9 wrote
It really does seem like the opening scene to a B rated horror film.
--Muther-- t1_ixttrgl wrote
Offer the vaccine and open up. People can choose themselves
bebraveplzforever t1_ixswr8n wrote
so what should we do to protect our own health?
HarriettDubman t1_ixsxjdi wrote
Everything you should have been doing for the last 2-3 years.
Decker108 t1_ixsxus9 wrote
If you're in China: some places are offering vaccination with the new inhalation-type vaccine. Some studies have shown it to be more effective at preventing infection compared to both injected adenovirus vaccines and mRNA vaccines. So get in queue to receive that. Otherwise, stock up on food for about a month or so, stay at home and wait for this wave to pass.
kevgenius33 t1_ixvpdr5 wrote
That vaccine only works for 72 hours, so people have to inhale it again once 3 days. There would be a huge od problem then.
me_and_myself_and_i t1_ixsxhlp wrote
If you're over the age of 10, get vaccinated with one of the mRNA vaccines.
Lamacorn t1_ixtf3ez wrote
Are Pfizer and Moderna not available there? Anyone over 6month can get it in the US. Anyone over 5 can get bivalente boosters
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EatMyAAPLShorts t1_ixt5ljv wrote
Get off reddit fear porn, go to the gym and work out, and reduce stress.
Cooking for yourself is also a good start.
Healthy-Travel3105 t1_ixu65iw wrote
Do the Chinese public know that pretty much everywhere else is over covid?
titanup001 t1_ixu9vr7 wrote
I live in china. They're terrified of covid. They've been fed that it is more dangerous than it is.
They feel proud and think that china is the safest place to be. They've told me I should bring my family here so they're safe. I told them everyone in my family has had covid at least once, and that it's not a bit deal at all. They're horrified.
Only recently have I seen any annoyance at all at the ridiculous and often utterly illogical measures taken around here.
meren002 t1_ixv370y wrote
I also live in China, in Beijing. I would generally echo the sentiments, but not to the extreme as you put it. I think older people (like 40+) might be as you say, I've definitely had those comments from some, but the younger people are definitely a lot more internationally aware. I don't know of anyone Chinese in their 20s or 30s, my age, who doesn't know that covid these days is just a 4 day cough and a headache. They're fed up and pissed, as the countless articles and videos of rioting and police push backs would say. I've lived here four years and Chinese people are quick to vocalize their discontent with the government these days . That NEVER happened 3 years ago. People are so fed up they aren't scared anymore.
titanup001 t1_ixv3eqg wrote
That's good to hear. I don't really have any Chinese friends, so 8mnjust going by my coworkers.
Strange-Bar8952 t1_ixugy0z wrote
The government at first wouldn't let the elderly get the sinovac because it was linked with blood clots. There are tons of stories of the elderly getting vaccinated then dying days later.
nomiinomii t1_ixva9e4 wrote
China is literally able to lock people inside for three years now (including forcing old people into quarantines), why can't the CCP force the olds to get a decent vaccine forcefully. Seems bizarre
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zalperst t1_ixudkzx wrote
All they need to do is use western vaccines that actually work, don't know why this is so hard
Proxyplanet t1_ixuudtz wrote
The US is still reporting over 200+ covid deaths a day, plus tens of thousands of hospitalisation. And its majority people that have been vaccinated. Scale that for China's population and density. Not so hard you were saying?
"For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.
Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation."
u_tamtam t1_ixv0ye4 wrote
Not OP, but with them about it being "not hard" compared to the current horrific handling of the situation in China: it's costly (economically, socially, psychologically, …) and inefficient (current variants put us past the point where lockdowns would suffice to stop the spread, and every week that goes gives a new evidence of it).
> "For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.
Could you explain what it is that you find controversial about it? That's not a measure of vaccines efficiency, it is merely a measure of their intake.
meren002 t1_ixv39z5 wrote
Chinese pride. God forbid the Chinese government accepting an American creation that's better than theirs. Chinese way or no way.
Weary-Depth-1118 t1_ixuwam9 wrote
While most of your points of true. Point #5 is false, further mutations of covid are way weaker then the original. From delta to omnicron to whatever else. They may transmit more but honestly the flu at this point is stronger then covid.
The original strain was crazy tho. 20% mortality is no joke
nomiinomii t1_ixvauvl wrote
There was never 20% mortality.
Weary-Depth-1118 t1_ixvbreh wrote
You are right it was only 14% in Italy
nomiinomii t1_ixvbxxf wrote
During Italy's wave in 2020 you literally couldn't test a lot of people so no, actual count would be way lower. Similar to a lot under 1% when testing became commonplace.
Weary-Depth-1118 t1_ixvc1yk wrote
Still much worse then the common flu
NearABE t1_ixsxjqc wrote
Sinovac fails in the same way that Pfizer fails. Omicron just spread anyway.
Obviously not dying is something important and Pfizer lowered the number of deaths. It simply is not a containment strategy.
me_and_myself_and_i t1_ixsxvh4 wrote
Not quite the same. The Pfizer jab lowers the infection rate and death rate far more than Sinovac.
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NearABE t1_ixt3mg1 wrote
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-33233-9
Pfizer lowers the secondary attack rate when the primary had Delta. Two or three Pfizer shots did not lower the transmission of Omicron in a statistically significant way in that study.
Numbers are too low to be viable as a barrier to epidemics.
me_and_myself_and_i t1_ixt4b1l wrote
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-covid-booster-better-protection-symptoms-cdc-says-rcna58322 New Covid boosters work better against infection than previous shots, CDC finds The omicron booster shots performed better in preventing infections in all adult age groups, with more protection for people who waited longer to get them.
NearABE t1_ixtbdl2 wrote
That website is horrible.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7148e1.htm
>...New Covid boosters work better against infection than previous shots...
This word "infection".
Ann gets sick. Gives it to Bob who gives it to Chris who passes to Dave who gives it to Edna who passes to Frank. All these people got vaccinated. They are not dead. None went to the hospital. Chris and Edna do not even know they are sick. CDC and Pfizer are claiming this as "effective against infection". Now Frank gives me covid19 at work and I give it to my wife. This story pisses me off.
"Transmission" is a much better word. We will probably soon have data on the bivalent booster's effect on transmission. A even better term is "secondary attack rate" or "SAR". If one person in a household is sick with ba5 strain what are the odds that a second person living in that household gets sick. Specifically if the primary infected person had the shot how much does that reduce the likelihood of a secondary?
Viruses have a reproduction number. A strategy defeats an epidemic if the combination of measures reduces the reproduction number below 1.0.
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