SuddenlyHip t1_iybud1b wrote
Reply to comment by CrackerWars in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
The most controversial thing you can say on Reddit is to point out the fact that Christianity shaped western morality, even though it's obviously true. The influence of Christianity, and Abrahamic religions in general, is even more apparent when we compare the cultures of colonized nations outside of Europe before and after the introduction of Abrahamic religions.
GoogleOfficial t1_iybyk6l wrote
Judaism shaped Christianity, and that was shaped by previous moral codes. Where did the original moral come from?
SuddenlyHip t1_iydwn9a wrote
Jewish people and their beliefs were unique and they were a minority who lived in relative isolation. To act like Jewish beliefs were an amalgamation of popular contemporary beliefs is laughably wrong and minimizes, if not outright ignores, the discrimination they faced for thousands of years. It’s easy to see the tenets of Abrahamic religions be commonplace throughout the world now and assume that was always the case, but history tells us the exact opposite.
Anyways, while Jesus comes to fulfill the Old Testament, he also provides new teachings that Christians follow and Jews do not. Therefore, some teachings Christians follow are unique to the teachings espoused Jesus and his followers.
GoogleOfficial t1_iydyf1f wrote
I’m saying all those beliefs were influenced from somewhere before them. Don’t fight a straw man.
SuddenlyHip t1_iyetlv6 wrote
If you have a problem with my statement, it’s up to you to refute it. Go ahead and research every tenet of Judaism and then Christianity and find where “the original moral come from”. It’s an argument in futility and you know it. I don’t understand why my original fact gets Redditors riled up so much.
3dio t1_iyc1hce wrote
Judaism is nothing like Christianity
Bowbreaker t1_iyc6xba wrote
And yet it did shape it a lot.
3dio t1_iyc7tnl wrote
Not in any significant way though as far as I can tell. Influence went both ways. Today's progressive Judaism and has some influences of Christianity. While living under Christian rule had shaped the orthodox Ashkenazi tradition
Bowbreaker t1_iyc8766 wrote
Most of the anti-sex mentality comes from Judaism. The monotheism and denying the existence of other gods as well. The idea of a perfect creator god. And everything else from the Old Testament that Christianity still considers valid as opposed to just being historic.
3dio t1_iyc9f45 wrote
Sure. Montheism came as alternative to then loads of other socalled pagan tribes, each with a different experiment of religious invention. Some with sex based ceremonies, some involved human sacrifice/cannibalism, some had various gods for various purposes. Etc But by no means did they "invent" the basic family / social rules and values. Nor tried to convert others to their religion. The sex thing is not really a sex thing. It's a anti-desire/greed self control thing that’s my prevelant in most religions.
with that said, the basic understanding of what God is, the Hebrew texts and the punishment/reward mechanisms as well as ceremonies are completely different in those religions
Bowbreaker t1_iye5bd7 wrote
They were harsher than most contemporaries on queer sex, or really any sex outside of the purpose of procreation. Pagan religions at the time had little such compunctions. At most they were against excess. Or looked down on certain practices without banning them.
As for what God is, Christianity kept one part and added two more faces (but oh no they are definitely not three separate gods).
Honestly, I can't think of a (not recently invented) religion that is more similar to Christianity than Judaism (from which it came) and Islam (which was heavily inspired by it), especially not Christianity's main rival to overcome, Greco-Roman paganism. Other older religions are even more different.
Anyway, you sound like you have a horse in this race. Like you are either Jewish or Christian and feel almost offended about your "real" belief being compared to the other "wrong" one.
3dio t1_iyf6ghd wrote
Christianity is not similar to Judaism. Judaism do not seek to spread itself and convert unwilling people etc. Islam is inclusive. Christianity is convinient and maybe loosley derived. There many differences in between. When you say more than most to what exactly are you comparing? I'm not sure i can take you seriously you seem highly biased
3dio t1_iyc1wmq wrote
In Judaism. Encouraging conversion from people outside the faith is strictly prohibited. And converting into the faith is a daunting process. Compare to the other derived BIG religions which offer easy conversion and actively work to convert (to score god points) you can understand why Judaism didn't grow and spread like Christianity and Islam. Saying "Abrahamic religions" is a very shallow overview which suggests those different faiths are the same
SuddenlyHip t1_iydqefw wrote
I agree with why Judaism isn’t as widespread as the other religions; I never said anything to the contrary. Anyways, they all descend from the same guy, have the same God, and have more in common with each other than they do non-Abrahamic religions. I think it’s fair to group them and I never claimed they were the same.
3dio t1_iydsqg4 wrote
i disagree with it being fair. It’s about as fair as saying all religions are the same. Or some other generalisation of religious people. Which once again, is shallow since there are different types. Thia doesn’t do any justice to the subject. If the analysis of the subject is shallow then there’s not much chance of having a meaningful conversation
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