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HungryExternal9373 t1_j27yuo2 wrote

Reply to comment by Graywulff in Kyiv residents told to head to air raid shelters as sirens wail across city by redcccp

It could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.

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Graywulff t1_j283yl4 wrote

Truth. A Chinese guy went full ji ping on me the other month and I just let it wash over me and said to myself “hes been drinking their Kool aid since as soon as he could absorb propaganda and so have I and they are alternate programs” so I didn’t bother to debate him on it. I just didn’t hang out with him again.

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lalalandcity1 t1_j285tvf wrote

This must have happened in Richmond, BC

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AllModsAreL0sers t1_j28dbbe wrote

Are you open to the fact that you may also be biased? That's what the person you're replying to suggested

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Graywulff t1_j296ql7 wrote

I admit it in my post. “He… absorbed propaganda… and so did I”

Yes I’m aware I even mention it.

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IDwelve t1_j28864f wrote

Yes, he drank the Kool aid. Unlike you, who is immune to propaganda and is definitely hearing the truth.
Which is also why you're surprised by what is actually happening on the ground even though your informed, unbiased, non-kool-aid sources told you Russia has no more missiles...

fucking lol

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TheNonViolentOne t1_j289wwr wrote

> so have I

You just can't read.

Fucking lol indeed. WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY!

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Lotus_Blossom_ t1_j28ab20 wrote

...Are you replying to the person who said

>“hes been drinking their Kool aid since as soon as he could absorb propaganda and so have I and they are alternate programs”

...? Because they're explicitly not claiming to be immune to propaganda.

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Graywulff t1_j29219u wrote

I’m not immune to propaganda. I realize the pledge of allegiance from 6 on, Boy Scouts, a lot of history classes taught American exceptionalism.

Elementary school they told us America was the only free country in the world. My friend was English and she insisted it was a democracy and the teachers are like “oh no they aren’t free they have a monarchy”.

Also before the fall of the Berlin Wall the maps were all the wrong size. They showed the us Canada and Western Europe to be bigger than the Soviet Union… Soviet Union fell and we got regular maps and I wondered why they bothered to lie to us about the size of the country.

One map the continental us was bigger than russia.

So yeah I recognize he’s had his and I have had mine and we have counteracting programming, so I admit I have been programmed by America to be pro US and anti china basically and he’s anti America (despite living here, being poor in china, and rich here), and I knew not to bother.

Another guy wanted me to agree to all these Chinese state talking points (9 dash line, etc) and agree freedom of navigation should be illegal bc it says china on the South China Sea… it’s like I believe in freedom of navigation, international law, free hong kong, free Tibet. He stopped talking to me.

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load_more_commments t1_j29yurr wrote

I'm fully aware of map projections and the Mercator issues but there is absolutely no real world map that shows the US bigger than the USSR or Russia. Perhaps you counted Canada and considered North America as a whole.

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Graywulff t1_j2ab0e7 wrote

Or I last saw it in 1993 when I was like ten.

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AllModsAreL0sers t1_j28dsyl wrote

It's not really clear, to be honest. They should focus on speaking clearly before consuming propaganda

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celerywife t1_j28e8gq wrote

You're clearly looking for a reason to criticize and get fired up. Chill and read the text before you comment on it, you make yourself out to be a jerk. "fucking lol" really put it over the top.

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Graywulff t1_j2927kq wrote

Maybe his electric maga hat stock is dropping like it’s hot but it’s not.

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Graywulff t1_j297ic8 wrote

It’s also called a rhetorical question. Like if I have been getting this info than why do they still have a lot? I’m questioning the source in my question and I’m admitting to being programmed by American propaganda at the same time as the Chinese guy was so I realized it wasn’t worth debating.

I’m not sure if you understood what I said. Big words and all.

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Graywulff t1_j2axg02 wrote

I said I got a different kind of kool aid in my post. I’m not sure why you’re angry, but perhaps work on reading comprehension or your adhd?

My supposition was that they were getting around sanctions more effectively recently, and I asked a rhetorical question based on that to elicit a response.

Is English not your first language?

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IDwelve t1_j2bfjd2 wrote

Looks like I interpreted sth into your statement that wasn't there, my bad.
I was just going off of the general approach I always see in these Russia-related posts. English is my third language.

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Graywulff t1_j2dtmhg wrote

Oh I hope they go bankrupt from the cost of the damage and the death they did in Ukraine and that they try all the war criminals and see them sentenced in The Hague, where they’re building a case right now. They have been forensically collecting data from everywhere liberate like a modern crime scene. Volunteers around the world have archived every tweet and telegram and other video posted by Russians media and Ukraine and has sorted it so there will be a big expensive trial. Until then they’ll keep ramping up sanctions and figuring out how the Russians manage to get stuff still.

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AllModsAreL0sers t1_j28dhix wrote

No, but see. Everyone I disagree with is necessarily drinking the Kool Aid, and I'm the smartest and most unbiased person in the known universe. That's how this works, okay?

Okay?

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Sin1st_er t1_j285qk8 wrote

Uh Oh, you weren't supposed to bring this up in reddit.

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HungryExternal9373 t1_j28ecjn wrote

It’s all good. A story as old as time. Literally!

Propaganda on both sides of a conflict goes way back!

Fog of war is very real

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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh t1_j28arb1 wrote

I added up the numbers in the Ukrainian (!) claim about Russia's missile shortage and even ignoring the S-300 it added up to something like 1000 missiles (of different types).

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HungryExternal9373 t1_j28e7f1 wrote

Ok and?

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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh t1_j28hji4 wrote

It confirms that the often-repeated "they're running out of missiles" is questionable even based on Ukrainian data, as a specific example confirming what you said.

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