Who makes sure that the Turkish defence minister is not giving out some NATO rumors for benefits?

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you should ask german secret service for selling secrets to russia

Heads of the CIA and the respective Russian counterpart meeting in Turkey, Russian and American troops in Syria having a friendly photoshoot = good

Turkey meeting the Russian and Syrian defence ministers = questionable ally

Last time I checked, it was members of European Governments and Militaries that got exposed for spying or aiding Russia. Even actual US Officers. Who makes sure that the US is giving out some NATO rumors to Russia to counter Turkey in Syria? After all, they seem pretty friendly there, shaking hands and taking pictures right at the Turkish-Syrian border.

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While spies are one thing turkey officially dances with the enemy. Their interest is making business with Russia and getting an ok to invade North Syria attacking YPG/PKK.

Russia doesn't agree to this without a benefit.

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Edit 2: Taking ethnic group out

The US is conducting join patrols and making photoshoots with Russia, so I guess they too are colluding with the enemy then?

The US is interested in making business with the YPG/PKK, thus openly colluding with an enemy of Turkey.

Also, you calling the YPG/PKK "Kurds", thus equating a single militia to an entire ethnic group, shows that you have no knowledge of the actual situation.

No, Turkey is negotiating with Russia because Turkey is bombing Assad's troops just as much as they are bombing YPG/PKK troops. They literally bombed a joint Russian-YPG/PKK training center last time.

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>Also, you calling the YPG/PKK "Kurds", thus equating a single militia to an entire ethnic group, shows that you have no knowledge of the actual situation.

My fault, corrected my text.

"Taking ethnic group out" lmfao. How come that Turkey is the biggest trading partner of the Kurdish regional government in north Iraq and why are there around 15-20 million Turkish citizens of Kurdish ethnicity/descent ? It wouldn't even be too far off to say that more Kurds live in Istanbul alone than in the entirety of North-East Syria. Something doesn't add up here, does it?

I was referring to my generalized "kurds" comment what was wrong pointing to the ethnic group instead of a group within

Because it's not about a whole ethnic group but specifically about the Syrian branch of a NATO-recognized terrorist organization, with US officials openly admitting to forcing the PKK to change their name to SDF/YPG so that the US can "legitimize" aiding an open Enemy of another NATO member.

Selling? I bet Germans are sabotaging Ukraine efforts because Germany would love to have cheap oil and gas back.

Nobody lost more financially to this war than Germany and France. Maybe only Ukraine, but potentially Germany and France can be affected financially much harder long term.

Why you are getting downvotes? I thought it is common knowledge of what turkey is doing.

I dont think US led NATO is stupid enough to share valuable information to Turkey. If anything Turkey would be the last countries to hear it. US will pass on valuable information to Britain and Germany first, followed by the likes of France later.

really says a LOT about our supposed ally turkey, doesn't it?

and will they say they are "middle men", as they are discussing with two animalistic dictatorships?

Would you rather have a NATO vs Russia, Iran war because of Syria?

It was Germans who sold information to Russia, not Turks.

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I believe it was a spy who did, big difference.

Sure but the point stands that Turkey didn't do something similiar despite being accused of being close to Russia.

You could say that about the last two world wars as well.

No, i couldn't. Totally different situation and different outcomes.

No. No it doesn't.