CakeEnjoyur t1_j1usxxi wrote on December 27, 2022 at 3:48 PM

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Turkey summons French ambassador after Paris shooting by PoorIsTheNewSwag

Maybe let the Kurds control their own lives? The UK learned this lesson with Ireland. Turkey should be like the UK and not get terrorised because they can't let go of their colonised peoples.

Arcsindorei t1_j1v6rp7 wrote on December 27, 2022 at 5:23 PM

The UK didn't learn any lesson with Ireland. Keeping Ireland just for the sake of imperial pride did not make sense for the British; Ireland was not that valuable. Otherwise why would they oppose Scottish independence? Could it be related to the natural resources they possess?

More than half of Kurds in Turkey are happy with their Turkish citizenship. So it is actually a minority that supports separatism and terrorism in Turkey.

CakeEnjoyur t1_j1vl1fy wrote on December 27, 2022 at 6:55 PM

What about Syria that Turkey is currently invading so the Kurds can't have their own country? I never meant that the UK learned anything from that, but the IRA got most of what they wanted. You shouldn't be so obtuse to not understand what I meant.

Arcsindorei t1_j1vv4x0 wrote on December 27, 2022 at 8:03 PM

There are just so many wrongs with your point of view mate.

First, what you are implying is that if sovereign nations don't want terrorists attack them, they must negotiate with them. This perspective suggests that the US should have made official contact with el qaida, or ISIS so that they stopped attacking their country. This is complete bollocks, you never negotiate with organizations that are recognized as terrorist.

Second, just like there are Kurds in southeastern Turkey, there are Turks there as well. Turkish people, language and culture have been present in that region for hundreds of years, and Kurdish nationalism and separatism completely ignore this fact. They do not have the right to found their country in Turkish territory.

Third, the matter in Syria is not exactly the same with Kurdish separarism in Turkey, or Irish separatism in 1920s UK. YPG in Syria is an illegal organization as it violates a sovereign nation's territory, sells its natural resources to overseas nations like the US, then with that money buy heavy weaponry to arm their millitants. It just happens that their millitants use mortars and similar explosives on civilian structures in Turkey, in support of PKK. It is true that they want to found their own state, however every action they have taken so far has caused obvious security threats to the countries surrounding them. Turkey, Syria, Iraq have every right to defend themselves and act against such threats.

Kurdish nationalist just have to find a peaceful solution to their problem. Otherwise they just become terrorists.

feckdech t1_j1vc38n wrote on December 27, 2022 at 5:57 PM

I'd guess the Kurds are in the same situation Jews were at before 2WW.

Only after the war, the British decided to give Israel region to them. That rose conflict, Arab/Muslim world has for centuries considered their land, even if historically it was once Jewish.

What's worse is that we can't make peace. Everyone's claims are valid in their own eyes. That's what's been happening with Ukraine. And now Serbia and Kosovo (Kosovo unilaterally declared independence, US was the first to recognize), Turkey and Kurds, Israel and Palestinians. India and Pakistan (Kashmir and Bangladesh).