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[deleted] t1_j24hwce wrote

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kpickyiv t1_j25x3k7 wrote

Believe me, it just pisses us off further.

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kpickyiv t1_j25x9m1 wrote

And there is plenty of support in Ukraine. Everyone is working toward victory

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Shuber-Fuber t1_j271f3g wrote

And it holds true historically.

Hell, survey post-WW2 showed that Japanese civilians didn't want to surrender despite having 2 fucking nukes dropped on them.

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Shuber-Fuber t1_j2714ak wrote

Not really.

Nazi V-2 bombardment of England didn't lead to capitulation.

Neither did the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo.

Neither did the two nuclear bombs dropped lead to civilians giving up (post war survey showed that the civilian population wanted to keep defending), it was the military after that and the threat of Soviet Union invading.

Targeting civilian targets rarely worked, because they know instinctually that if the enemy does that in war they will do worse afterward.

The best way to win war? Don't target civilians. Target military only, and force said military to be the "bad guy" trying to extract resources from civilian sectors. Vietnam War inadvertently showed that against the US. From the US perspective, Vietcong only targeted soldiers (even if for no other reason than that they have no means to target the US), and US civilians forced the military to give up despite the US military winning the war on the ground.

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