weykd1 t1_j28abpc wrote on December 30, 2022 at 10:37 AM

Reply to comment by LewisLightning in Brazil arrests four people for alleged coup attempt in Bolsonaro riots by DELAIZ

Idk

AquelecaraDEpoa t1_j28b0bz wrote on December 30, 2022 at 10:46 AM

No, he hasn't. He also never said he'd kill his opposition, which cannot be said for Bolsonaro.

weykd1 t1_j28bkqv wrote on December 30, 2022 at 10:54 AM

Ok, but when did I say anything about those things? I will not repeat myself as my comment is above yours, but think about the left-wing extremists, do their desires reflect those of Lula?

Not always, right?

This is my point.

Bolsonaro may want a coup, I'm not defending his good-will towards this subject, but from this arrest we cannot deduce that.

AquelecaraDEpoa t1_j28c0ms wrote on December 30, 2022 at 10:59 AM

What left-wing extremists? This is the problem, you're waving whataboutism as if it was an absolute certainty that waves of political violence sponsored by the left were a thing in Brazil, when you know so little about the situation that you aren't even aware of whether or not Lula has encouraged doubt in the political system and outright political violence the way Bolsonaro did. The world may not be black and white, but that does not mean that both sides, everywhere, are the same.

weykd1 t1_j28d5k3 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM

You can actually google it lol Or do you truly think that only people from right views are violent?

Get out of you bubble mate

Lula himself addressed the left-wing extremists in his campaign, saying that they should be disconsidered.

I don't follow politics anymore, and my comment was not even about that, my point was that we cannot deduce things from such a small sample. That is it.

You guys are stretching things out a lot unnecessarily and I'm not understanding why.

Edit: I will give you one example and you may believe if you want: my gf lives in an area where a PT HQ was located in Belo Horizonte, when Lula won in the first turn, a guy passed in the street with the dingle of Bolsonaro and the guys at the HQ trew glass bottles at his car, cursing him.

Things like this happen A LOT, but we never hear about it.

Extremists are present everywhere and all of them are lunatics in my opinion. They can do everything

AquelecaraDEpoa t1_j28dihe wrote on December 30, 2022 at 11:19 AM

I have never said only people in the right are violent, do not shove words into my mouth. I said Brazil doesn't have waves of left-wing violence like it does right-wing violence, that is all. I live here, I follow current events, I think I know more about this than someone abroad who just Googles about it sometimes. Even if Lula said something about left-wing extremists, he was building a broad anti-Bolsonaro alliance, so of course he'd try to appeal to the center. Do me a favor, and look up when exactly acts of left-wing violence have been carried out in Brazil, because I cannot think of a single one that's taken place in the last 10 years.

Edit: In response to your edit, comparing throwing glass bottles to right-wing violence is borderline laughable, I'm sorry. There have been people stabbed and shot to death, one in his own birthday party. And while I will not pretend the inverse cannot happen, and to my knowledge, at least one bad political discussion ended the other way around, apparently in self-defense, Bolsonaro supporters have deliberately placed nails in federal highways seeking to damage as many vehicles as possible and tried to kill policemen sent to disperse illegal blockings of highways, not to mention one of Bolsonaro's allies trying to kill federal police officers and the fact hundreds of his supporters have been begging for a coup for months. These are not comparable situations.

weykd1 t1_j28en8m wrote on December 30, 2022 at 11:33 AM

Well I just gave an example to you, and I live in Belo Horizonte as well. But ok dude, I truly don't want to discuss politics and you most likely know more than me as I don't follow anything.

Once again, all I'm saying is related to the post and my comment was not about politics (at least that was not my intention).

You can, however, google stuff and know a little more about the violence that come from left-wingers. There are sometimes physical violence, but the moral violence is much more visible.

Damn if someone ever said that they were in favor of Bolsonaro at my university they would get demolished, with people saying that they are stupid and many other things. Whereas the opposite did not happen.

There is clear violence in many forms from both sides, you just have to want to see.

Edit: in response to your edit, I did not compare the situations, "do not put words in my mouth". In any case, trowing bottles may seem light but there is a clear chance to kill the person. But I do agree that these things you cited are worse