pollo316 t1_j1behvt wrote on December 23, 2022 at 1:31 AM

Reply to comment by zenzukai in Canada moves to mandate electric vehicle sales starting in 2026 by rentalfloss

Just read this and calm down. You are reciting lies from big oil lobbyists at alarming rates. Motortrend covered all of this. https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/amp/

zenzukai t1_j1bk4sw wrote on December 23, 2022 at 2:14 AM

Like usual, they don't even mention recycling batteries. What is the carbon cost associated with recycling old batteries into new ones? Not sure because it isn't at an industrial scale. Yet entirely dismissed by articles like this.

Did the article address mutli-dwelling infrastructure? The effects of exploding mineral demand?

I know the energy economics of batteries and EVs, and I know the recycling costs of the battery lifecycle put a huge '?' on the real costs.

These hard limits imposed so early are going to be reversed. Businesses are going to fail to properly adapt, government funded services are to fail to properly adapt, private individuals aren't going to be able to afford to adapt.

If you think inflation is bad now, just wait until costs across all society run up a vertical wall.

Electric vehicles are the future, no doubt. The problem is ham-fisting them into society will create distortions in the market, and it'll cost much more than we can estimate today.

Uncle_Rabbit t1_j1c0lhg wrote on December 23, 2022 at 4:29 AM

We need to be living less materialistic consumer focused lives without all the new tech and junk every year, but that's not profitable so that message won't get pushed, instead they want to sell everyone a new car. The materials used to make the cars will be mined, refined, and shipped with fossil fuels and the cars themselves will be manufactured and charged with fossil fuels. Why do EV's need to be connected to the internet to charge as well? Probably so corporations can monitor your habits, locations, everything and then sell the data to other corporations or governments that will pay for it. Hooray! More ads! In theory EV's sound great (if you believe they will all be charged from renewable sources), but I'm skeptical at best about the real world roll out of EV's. It seems like one more cash grab without addressing the underlaying issues society has.

zenzukai t1_j1c2n9r wrote on December 23, 2022 at 4:48 AM

The vast majority of energy use globally is for travel, food, heating and electricity. We can cut down on travel, even food and electricity, hard to do for heating.

The most significant things you can do is stop eating meat, stop going on vacations, bike to work. Everything else is trivial.

pdp10 t1_j1ilbpf wrote on December 24, 2022 at 5:35 PM

> hard to do for heating.

Not fundamentally difficult. It's called "insulation". Difficult to economically retrofit in many cases, however. That 1937 farmhouse with minimal insulation and originally fitted with a coal-burning boiler, will be hard to adapt into a highly insulated, tight-envelope modern house with a heat pump.

WikiSummarizerBot t1_j1ildcb wrote on December 24, 2022 at 5:35 PM

Passive house

>"Passive house" (German: Passivhaus) is a voluntary standard for energy efficiency in a building, which reduces the building's ecological footprint. It results in ultra-low energy buildings that require little energy for space heating or cooling. A similar standard, MINERGIE-P, is used in Switzerland. The standard is not confined to residential properties; several office buildings, schools, kindergartens and a supermarket have also been constructed to the standard.

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