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skipthedamned OP t1_j5oa7x1 wrote

Reply to comment by _invalidusername in South Africa boosting ties with Russia: Minister ‘pleased with progress’ after hosting Russia’s Sergei Lavrov by skipthedamned

Seems they are actually proud of it

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noaccessories t1_j5obxf1 wrote

As a South African I am most certainly NOT proud of this shit.

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skipthedamned OP t1_j5ocrug wrote

The minister of foreign affairs seems well chuffed with herself according to many articles

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Active-Geologist-788 t1_j5oici5 wrote

I understand.

But r/worldnews is veeeery pro-ukraine

Any idea what other people from SA think?

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afrothunder2104 t1_j5oq7xg wrote

Not pro Ukraine, anti Russian. Don’t mix those two. Before the war, people still hated Russia for the horrible things they were doing. The Ukrainian invasion just brought those horrible things to the public’s attention.

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Ceasehar t1_j5pgbn8 wrote

https://www.politicsweb.co.za/documents/anc-polling-under-50-for-2024--brenthurst-foundati

https://www.thebrenthurstfoundation.org/news/brenthurst-survey-shows-vast-majority-of-south-africans-condemn-russia/

>A survey conducted on behalf of The Brenthurst Foundation has found
that 74.3% of South Africans believe that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
is “an act of aggression that must be condemned” while only 12.7%
believe it is “an acceptable use of force”.

South Africans are very much on the side of Ukraine.

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Pyjama_Llama_Karma t1_j5pv8bk wrote

So their government is acting in reverse of what the population wants?

Sounds like time for some internal political instability. Maybe even a coup.

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Ceasehar t1_j5q84rx wrote

It's complicated. If you go through all the different polls on the first link, you'll also see figures surrounding SA citizens' thoughts on the efficiency of ANC governance, with only 30% of the country considering the ANC 'good' at their administrative function. Despite this, they still have close to 50% support according to this poll and other polls, generally.

So, where does this support stem from? I wish I knew. I think opposition parties wished they understood, because how do you win over voters that seem supportive of a party they clearly don't think are very suited for the job? It's completely irrational.

Most likely, it's old loyalties that die hard. The ANC still have some PR from the apartheid era. If you, again, read through the first link, you'll also see a question regarding South Africa's present issues and who the primary culprit is. Once again, most South Africans blame the ANC for our current issues, not the legacy of apartheid.

So, honestly, our voters don't seem to understand what they want. A good section of us are confident that the ANC will lose their majority come 2024, but I honestly cannot tell you what the primary motivation for voters will be. Load shedding, maybe?

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WorldAccordingToCarp t1_j5qw0jm wrote

It's almost never 'time for a coup'. A small group of people seizing sudden control of a democratic country rarely ends well, regardless of those people's intentions.

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Purple-Quail3319 t1_j5pbsuz wrote

Acting like being anti Russian is pro Ukraine forgets their invasion of Georgia, attacks on their own people in their subjugation of Chechnya, their attacks on civilian aircrafts, their widespread attacks on other civilian infrastructure, their wanton assassinations of any internal critics, their propensity to rape and pillage in any conflict they've been involved in, their repression of LGBT, their espousal of domestic abuse, their constant threats of nuclear attack...

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noaccessories t1_j5vn42g wrote

South Africa is, if you exclude the top Wealthy percentage is a very poor country. The vast majority are to busy just trying to get by to care. also, there would be a significant percentage of people that would not even be able to point to where South Africa is on a world map. Asking them to point out Ukraine or Russia? GTFO!

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XavierRenegadeAngel_ t1_j5ozm8b wrote

The ruling party does what it does for itself, they couldnt give a shit about the populace.

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F94_Spartan t1_j5q0cs9 wrote

You are confusing our politicians with our countrymen. No South African is looking to support anyone. We are a very mind our own business country and we have enough problem putting food on our tables and keep our lights on. Our politicians are special, they are in power because of loyalty. The people believe vote ANC until the ANC fixes itself. They also never have an formal education or understanding of how the real world works. There is a GREAT disconnect between the ANC and the people... They even protest themself sometime...

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