ZealousidealWash5800 t1_j6hbe2s wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:09 AM

Reply to comment by Nerevarine91 in Ukraine calls for faster weapons supplies as Russia presses eastern offensive by redcccp

T90m had better fcs than many western contemporary tanks, western tanks have many advantages but this ain't it chief.

Nerevarine91 t1_j6hbmm8 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:12 AM

T-90M has a modern optics package, but that’s not exactly the tank being used the majority of Russian units. It’s also worth noting that those were built with imported components, and there are reports from inside Russia that even relatively modern tanks are now being sent to the front with older packages.

ZealousidealWash5800 t1_j6hbud9 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:15 AM

As the conflict goes on we will see a decline in stopgap tanks like meme36 and an increase in refurb or newbuild t90m with increased domestic economic mobilisations. I guarantee there are currently more t90m on the front than there are competitior Western tanks.

Nerevarine91 t1_j6hc6vv wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:20 AM

I mean, there currently aren’t many Western tanks on the ground in Ukraine at all, so that bet seems extremely safe. However, I would be very interested in seeing the exact percentages, because my understanding is that the vast majority of Russian tanks in Ukraine are variants of the T-72, with no indication of that really changing.

ZealousidealWash5800 t1_j6hcfax wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:24 AM

Time will tell, maybe you are right and they consider increased numbers of the older model instead of lesser numbers of the newer. Most tanks this conflict will have been taken out by rpg atgm or artillery as opposed to pop culture tank duels, so I doubt we will see many resolutions to the dick measurig on here with abrams / challenger / leopard vs T-xyz.

Nerevarine91 t1_j6hcjq6 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:25 AM

Who knows? I can only say what I’ve heard is going on now. As for what they’ll do in the future, I have no idea

Turbofox23 t1_j6hbk3x wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:11 AM

Maybe in some russian textbook, not in reality however

lacb1 t1_j6hfos2 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:11 AM

Remember that state of the art Russian drone the Ukrainians captured that had a fucking Cannon DSLR camera in it? Yeah. They don't have "world beating" anything. It was smart for NATO to take them seriously right up until we had proof that they're full of shit. But now we have literally tonnes of proof, and it's all being dismantled and studied. Whatever surprises the Russians may have had for NATO aren't really surprises anymore.

Turbofox23 t1_j6hfv17 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:14 AM

Plus, they don't produce anything apart from AKs and artillery shells, every piece of any advanced tech (chips, IR-matrix, monitors, optics) is either Chinese, US-made, or bought from European companies.

Edit: or scrapped from stolen washing machines