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tedderksen t1_j4u5ovq wrote

As a dutch person, this whole ordeal changes practically nothing and is just another waste of resources in a time of massive crises. The current government is dealing with massive trust issues and is so completely focussing on the wrong issues. The only reason this got trough is because coming March there are new elections and the current sitting parties are going to get decimated.

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Inquerion t1_j4ud05i wrote

You mean 2023 provincial elections? They are more important than general elections in 2025? Interesting voting system you have.

So which party do you expect to win next election? Far right? Far left? Centre?

Any chance that a nazi/fascist party like German NDAP can win or get significant amount of votes?

Is democracy in the Netherlands threatened?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

It seems that right wing party (Forum of Democracy) already won provincial elections in 2019. So nothing has changed because they were too weak to change the system or they are not really "right wing populist party "(like Wikipedia is saying)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Dutch_provincial_elections

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Dutch_provincial_elections

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RemcoProgrammer t1_j4uhmqg wrote

The provincial elections are also indirect elections for the 1st chamber of Dutch parliament, which also votes on laws. So it's important.

Forum did well in the previous ones and then fell apart, like all parties that grow big too quickly they attracted too many nutters. In Forum's case doubly so because its core are complete conspiracy / neonazi nutters already.

This time "BBB" will win big, they are a conservative populist farmers interest protest party. The same thing will then happen to them.

These parties won't get actual power but the completely splintered parliament of ~20 parties makes the country almost ungovernable.

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Dynious t1_j4ue9dm wrote

The current parties may lose a significant amount of seats but it'll not cause a complete change in the way the country is ran. In the Dutch system there are many smaller parties (no party ever has an outright majority) and the extremist parties are still unlikely to have enough combined seats. Being the biggest party really doesn't mean much if no one want to form a coalition with you.

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Inquerion t1_j4ueqgg wrote

But what if all these minor nazi/populist/eurosceptic parties form a coalition like in Italy? I see that you have at least few of these parties.

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RemcoProgrammer t1_j4uhpfp wrote

They'd fall apart within days, populists are only against things and don't have any actual practical policies they will agree on and continue to agree on.

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Inquerion t1_j4uklts wrote

In Italy they won in September and still rule together. Their government seems quite stable...

They are far right, but not extreme far right though.

Elections are also coming in countries like Spain, where far right Vox is gaining power or Belgium where Vlaams Belang is leading in polls.

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tedderksen t1_j4ukhpu wrote

No general elections are more important, however, all changes in the law will need to pass "De Eerste Kamer" which is elected in March. With the current projections, the sitting parties are going to lose a lot of votes here. Which will make passing laws much harder and set up the potential early collapse of the sitting government. According to the projections, it will be a significant win for center right-wing parties. "Forum of Democracy" is also one of the big losers in the coming elections the party has collapsed after its great success in 2019.

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Inquerion t1_j4unvet wrote

Thank you for your in-depth explanations. I wish you good day.

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