Down_The_Rabbithole

Down_The_Rabbithole t1_itp7tnz wrote

I disagree with your fourth point. Specifically that AI companies will be the main benefactor of AI technology. I think the opposite is true, that AI companies will benefit almost nothing from the creation of AI but that companies whose value generation is bottlenecked by human workers will benefit the most.

Also drivers and physical labor is going to be the last domain to get automated, not the first. Physical navigation and manipulation of physical environments is the hardest problem to solve for AI. Digital intellectual workers will be the first to get replaced.

As Tesla is focusing on the last parts of automation (Navigation and physical manipulation of environment) I expect them to be losers in this scenario.

Industries that will benefit the most are those that are currently bottlenecked by lack of human intellectual workers that could be quickly replaced by AI over the next 5-10 years time. Law firms, R&D, Pharmaceutical industry are most likely to be the big winners, at least over the next 5-10 years time as most of their workers get replaced while also able to scale up their "production" due to having technically uncapped amount of AI "intellectual labor" at their disposal.

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Down_The_Rabbithole t1_itbse4z wrote

Reply to comment by Rebatu in 3D meat printing is coming by Shelfrock77

>And it's never getting more ecological.

This is objectively false. You can skip all kinds of unwanted growth and a life cycle normal animals have to undergo if you specifically focus on muscle tissue and other parts we actually want to eat and grow it as rapidly as possible.

This is also true for plants, in theory we could engineer artificial plants that grow faster, don't generate parts of the plants we don't eat/discard and have more efficient photosynthesis to become more caloric and nutrient dense.

This makes sense when you think about it. Plants and Animals weren't evolved to be eaten by us, they were evolved to be their own species to thrive and live in the world. We have no time for that so cutting out all of that and jumping directly to the food portion we are interested in inherently makes the entire process more efficient.

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Down_The_Rabbithole t1_itbs11f wrote

r/futurology is just whining about the collapse of society so essentially r/singularity has become the positive version of r/futurology.

I despise it because I think there needs to be a dedicated place to discuss AI, software and hardware advancements related to the singularity. But because r/futurology is going to shit a lot of people are posting their positive minded stuff here.

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Down_The_Rabbithole t1_it6lat1 wrote

There is another aspect that you didn't take into account yet:

> Work has to be productive and add economic value

What the covid lockdowns shows us is that there are a lot of "bullshit jobs" out there that don't provide any value and aren't missed when gone but still exist just to keep people busy. It's more than likely that humans will keep having work just because our society likes it for people to do labor, even if that labor is useless.

We as a society need to recognize that labor for labor's sake is bullshit and that we should just provide people a decent quality of life without having to go through this useless ritual of sacrificing 8 hours a day to something that doesn't add value to society.

I'm afraid of the opposite of what people claim in this thread. I'm not afraid of mass-unemployment. I'm afraid of people not losing their jobs when their labor becomes obsolete

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Down_The_Rabbithole t1_it6k83u wrote

The real issue I see even on places like r/singularity. Is that people don't update their world views according to new developments quickly enough.

For example The papers around large transformer models released in the last 6 months have completely changed the automation timeline and outlook of what areas are going to get automated first.

Yet people on r/singularity largely still have this now-outdated view that careers like drivers, restaurant workers, miners and factory workers will be the first to be automated away.

In reality it's digital intellectual work that is going to be automated away first. Digital Artists, Programmers, System admins, Lawyers, Clerks and basically everyone that sits in an office manipulating data in some way or another through a computer will be automated away in the first round of automation.

As a software engineer for close to 20 years myself with a firm grasp of modern AI systems the path to how the entire software engineering field will be automated away in just the next 5-10 years is clear as day. Yet a lot of the people I work with and even on places like r/singularity people just flat out reject this possibility, partly because it hits their ego so it's easier to go into denial. But also because they already had their views set on other fields being the first ones to go and new developments rapidly changing that view needs some time for people to properly settle before they come to accept it.

I see constant irrational rebukes for why programmers "are never going to be replaced" like how coding is just a small part of programming, not recognizing the fact that the entire Client specification -> Product ownership -> Problemsolving -> Coding -> Delivery pipeline of the entire software engineering industry is at risk of being automated. We're not talking about merely code completion here. We're talking about AI better being able to identify and specify the needs of the client in question and better able to provide a solution in a shorter but more importantly, more effective way.

Humans won't be able to compete in the digital field anymore and physical laborers, especially the underpaid ones like janitorial work, cleaners and miners will be the last jobs to be automated away, not the first.

The next couple of years is going to shook most of the developed world to its core as the mainstream starts coming to this realization. Software Engineers and other highly educated professionals aren't ready to face this truth on this subreddit of all places, let alone the vast majority of regular people.

I predict we're going to have a very rocky ride as people aren't able to accept this when we will most likely start to see the very first signs of intellectual labor replacements implemented next year, 2023 already.

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